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Issler Dainze
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Posted - 2012.01.26 02:36:00 -
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The change in the CSM elections and the Iceland face to face meeting attendance make it even more important that the Eve general population get involved in the upcoming elections. To that end I am anouncing I will be running and organizing the "Voice of Reason Party". Let me explain my plans and ask for your support (but maybe not in the way you think).
The "Voice of Reason" party intends to represent the following segments of the Eve population. Consider these the "planks" of the party.
Miners Industrialists Traders Small Corps Independent players High Sec Low Sec PvE Casual Players WiS
Basically folk that often are discarded as "carebears" but make up a huge portion of the Eve population. A group that has not had representaion for a long time in the CSM.
So "Issler", you say, there may be many folks that would want to run supporting those players. I would say "yes, I hope there are!"
I am asking anyone who will be running to support this segment of Eve to declare themselves as part of the "Voice of Reason" party. We will organize and debate in the public spaces of Eve to narrow the field to the best two candidates and refine our party planks using some "party voting" (method TBD) and then ask any that would support our party put their support behind the best of us. If we organize we could easily have the chair and another Iceland bound seat!
So "bears", will you join me in finding the right candidates, get our supporters energized and take back the CSM???
I will be putting considerable energy in getting folks from our party elected and those folks don't have to include me, lets find and elect the best!
Together we cannot be defeated!!
Issler Dainze CSM 7 candidate Member of the Voice of Reason Party
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2012.01.26 20:11:00 -
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So some additional clarification.
Low sec should be in there as well as WHs. As to how best represent the group I propose, once we have a slate of candidates we can refine our message and plans.
Here is a profile of the Eve pilot the VOR would represent.
Casual players, folks that don't have the time to commit to "serious" play styles for whatever reason. Folks looking for stress free space fun.
Independent pilots not interested in joining large alliances, folks that are in small corps or even just want to remain in an NPC corp.
Folks that prefer PvE over direct combat PvP.
Miners! When was the last time there was an interesting change in mining?
Low sec - a segment of the game that has been ignored forever! When I started I often mined in low sec, now no one mines in low sec because it just isn't worth the risk.
Industrialist - we still have huge problems in production like T2 BPOs, Technetium monopolies and a host of other issues.
Traders - there was a time when a person could make a living running trade. Seems to no longer be the case.
WiS - so many of us wanted ambulation and the current CSM clearly fought to kill it dead. Someone on the next CSM clearly needs to champion the future of ambulation.
Basically, folks that don't think null is interesting to them and want to enjoy life in Eve in a more PvE or PvP in markets only manner.
Finally, this is just a place to start. I hope some other "bear" candidates will join this effort and we can develop the focus for a real attempt to get our views clealy represented in CSM7.
And the one celebrity that is the focus of an effort to draft him in CSM 7 would also be wonderful but I hope we don't count on that as our only plan.
So VOR candidates, join me in becoming the voice of the formally silent majority. We can be their voice when they stream in space!
Issler |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2012.01.26 21:01:00 -
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We will not be supporting candidates from large power blocks or with ties to large powerblocks. The point of VOR is to support the "little guy".
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2012.01.26 22:22:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:As a VOR candidate running for CSM7 I will specifically address my stance on the aformentioned issues and how I will represent them.
Miners: By removing NPC Corps and making pilots individually wardeccable, highsec can no longer be flooded with minerals to the degree that only botted up NPC corp miners can. Trit and pye will only increase in value as supply decreases to meet demand. Ban NPC Corps.
Low-Sec: By banning NPC Corps and making pilots individually wardeccable, lowsec's 'safety' will increase in relation, making it more sensible for players to move there in a calculated risk/reward move. Ban NPC Corps.
Industrialists: By banning NPC Corps and making pilots individually wardeccable, industrialists will no longer have one option - to undercut thousands of other industrialists with max skills and max safety. By forcefully decreasing the supply, industrialists' work is valued more individually. Ban NPC Corps.
Traders: Traders benefit the most by banning NPC Corps and making pilots individually decable. Imagine the potential profit determined traders could make if the non-stop fleet of AFK autopiloting NPC freighters were made vulnerable. Ban NPC Corps.
WiS: Ban NPC Corps
Nicolo 2012 CSM VOR High Council Ban NPC Corps
Well, it is a start of a discussion about a potential VoR party plank. :-)
Could you clarify your position in NPC corps?
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2012.01.26 23:36:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Could you clarify your position in NPC corps? I gathered that you dislike the Technetium monopoly of null alliances, right Issler? Well how do you feel about the 0.0 logistics crew's NPC corp freighter alts under 100% wardec-proof CONCORD safety that haul in all that moon goo for you to pay out the nose for? And then load up said freighters with compressed minerals, minerals mined non-stop by NPC corp hulks I add, that flood the market making carebears like you sell their ore at a pittance. Not to mention eliminating the necessity of moving in casual, PvE types into 0.0 for stuff like manufacturing and mining in null. With NPC Corps pushing the margin of profit in easily accessed hisec ever lower due to lack of opposition, you just aren't needed or wanted in our space (beyond the status of a renter).
Actually I appologize for the flip remark. You do have a valid point to make.
Using NPC alts to make safer supply chain logisitcs are not in the spirit of Eve.
The issue is boting is bad m'kay. I am 100% behind removing the mechanisms that make it possible. Changes in NPC corps may be a part of solving the problem.
NPC corps and the issues they cause should be part of a healthy VoR party planks discussion.
The question really should be "what is an NPC corp intended to be"? Maybe NPC corp members are restricted in ship types of activities? Or some type of modification of war dec that removes the shield is the answer.
I don't claim to know how to solve the problem but I'd love to participate in a serious discussion of the issues.
I'll be setting up a SoV web site and forums in the next couple of days. We can set up a section for discussion of every proposed VoR plank there and decide the party postion.
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2012.01.26 23:57:00 -
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Xorv wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: The "Voice of Reason" party intends to represent the following segments of the Eve population. Consider these the "planks" of the party.
Miners Industrialists Traders Small Corps Independent players High Sec Low Sec PvE Casual Players WiS
So, basically almost everyone in EVE. I count my own EVE experience in part all of those except Mining, Industry, and WiS. Perhaps you should look at some of my previous ideas for EVE and incorporate them into your Platform. Speaking of NPC corps, I disagree that they should be removed, but agree they are a problem and should be changed. I think having all members of NPC corps automatically enlisted in Faction War would be a happy medium between keeping them as is and removing them altogether as suggested by Nicolo. Would also make High Sec a much more interesting place by having game lore impact players lives far more than it does atm... Sadly Lore/Roleplayers were left off your list Issler
Thanks for pointing out RP as missing! I absolutely think RP is very important to enjoyment of Eve for a lot of us (just look at the crazy back story for my corp and alliance)
I will add it as a VoR Plank!
Issler |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2012.01.27 00:54:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:The change in the CSM elections and the Iceland face to face meeting attendance make it even more important that the Eve general population get involved in the upcoming elections. To that end I am anouncing I will be running and organizing the "Voice of Reason Party". Let me explain my plans and ask for your support (but maybe not in the way you think).
The "Voice of Reason" party intends to represent the following segments of the Eve population. Consider these the "planks" of the party.
Miners Industrialists Traders Small Corps Independent players High Sec Low Sec PvE Casual Players WiS
Basically folk that often are discarded as "carebears" but make up a huge portion of the Eve population. A group that has not had representaion for a long time in the CSM.
So "Issler", you say, there may be many folks that would want to run supporting those players. I would say "yes, I hope there are!"
I am asking anyone who will be running to support this segment of Eve to declare themselves as part of the "Voice of Reason" party. We will organize and debate in the public spaces of Eve to narrow the field to the best two candidates and refine our party planks using some "party voting" (method TBD) and then ask any that would support our party put their support behind the best of us. If we organize we could easily have the chair and another Iceland bound seat!
So "bears", will you join me in finding the right candidates, get our supporters energized and take back the CSM???
I will be putting considerable energy in getting folks from our party elected and those folks don't have to include me, lets find and elect the best!
Together we cannot be defeated!!
Issler Dainze CSM 7 candidate Member of the Voice of Reason Party
Issler Dainze, I salute your intentions and effort. I agree, the high sec group needs representation. You have my vote. It's a shame that this thread was blobbed by the opposition. Best to just ignore em. Personally I think Low Sec should be removed from that list. The party should be comprised of 3 members. If elected, this would at least have 1/3rd of the CSM representing citizens in high security. The platform could be something like PvE, Industrial and Political. PvE: Missions Incursions Exploration WiS Industrial: Mining & PI Market & Trade Invention & Production Transport & Courier Political: NPC Corp Members Independent Player Corps Role Playing & Lore Content High Security Game Mechanics Each member should be knowledgeable or highly active in the group they interview. They should canvas their respective group's population regarding issues, solutions, concerns, viewpoints and ideas for future content pertaining to that group. The 3 members would then compare, debate, vote and compile a shared list based on the interviews as their platform for election to CSM which will be presented to CCP during their term. Obviously a bit more thought would have to be put into this but I think you get the idea. Good luck to you and the 'Voice of Reason Party'.
Great Idea. I was already thinking that we could select a slate of candidates with specific focus and your post makes the first swipe at how that might work As for low sec, maybe just keep it on the table where it affects risk/reward in mining and PvE.
The VoR members in the CSM7 could make some great things happen!
I'll be counting you among the VoR party members!!
Issler |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2012.01.27 01:33:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:I'm in a NPC corp and this is my main character. I don't like the idea to get rid of NPC corps or make all NPC corps part of Factional Warfare or any other major changes. I pay plenty of taxes which is payment for freedom to do whatever I want, whenever I want, anywhere I want without having to deal with a CEO's orders or worry about a WarDec from a Griefer Corp. Because of that, I'm not allowed to have a POS.
My career is missions and exploration with a little bit of invention, production and trade. Yes, I play mostly solo but I keep half a dozen chat channels open and fleet up with other players from time to time. I've traveled in low and null sec but usually keep to high sec.
About the only change I would like to see for NPC corp members is when in a gang or fleet, if someone aggros one of the members in the fleet, all gang members should be allowed to retaliate without Concord interfering. This would help level the playing field a bit against can flippers, suicide gankers and Ninja mission invaders.
Just remember that there's a lot of potential votes sitting in NPC corps so best to tread lightly on that subject.
That is why I hope we can have some healthy dialogs that address the concerns. I definitely think NPC corps have a place in Eve. But I am not sure that perfect safe havens in a lot of Eve activities is the right place.
I became a CEO to escape a crazy CEO. I did it mostly because I had some RL friends that thought our own corp would be better than NPC, but if it wasn't for that I might very well be in an NPC corp myself.
I hope you'll join the discussion soon to follow about NPC corps and how they fit in Eve!
Issler |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2012.01.27 02:17:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: I definitely think NPC corps have a place in Eve. But I am not sure that perfect safe havens in a lot of Eve activities is the right place.
Issler NPC corp members are not safe, not by a long shot. They get can flipped, suicide ganked and Ninja'd quite often. Probably because they can't dish out very much retribution due to the current game mechanics. Those who say being in a NPC corp is safe don't know jack. A few months ago I was assassinated in a 0.7 system at a Radar site by 1/2 dozen Merc players in Battleships. It was a hit paid for by another player who brought forum rage into the game as grief play.
I agree they aren't safe, I've certainly died when in them. So point taken. It's all about balance in the end. The NPC corp discussion clearly will be very interesting!
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2012.01.27 02:29:00 -
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Miranda Etxebarria wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Traders - there was a time when a person could make a living running trade. Seems to no longer be the case. Not sure if serious. But I am quite curious to see what kind of platform would get the approval from such a diverse target audience.
I've started with a scatter gun approach to be sure. I just have a strong conviction a lot of players are not represented by the current power block focused CSM. The idea earlier of a slate of candidates working together with specific areas of focus is where I expect is us to converge.
I am serious about this and I hope others will join. There is no reason a minority of Eve should control the CSM. CSM6 has made it clear to a much larger audience that the CSM does affect CCP. For folks out there like myself the reject the notion that "null is the end game" (a sandbox by definition has no end game) and that CCP needs to hyperfocus on null.
I hope this is the way to make sure CSM7 makes CCP realize he majority of Eve could care less about supercaps and sov and would love something as simple as making mining better, keeping PvE fresh or making high sec more dynamic.
Issler Dainze Voice of Reason CSM 7 Candidate |
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2012.01.27 02:40:00 -
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Miranda Etxebarria wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Miranda Etxebarria wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Traders - there was a time when a person could make a living running trade. Seems to no longer be the case. Not sure if serious. But I am quite curious to see what kind of platform would get the approval from such a diverse target audience. I've started with a scatter gun approach to be sure. I just have a strong conviction a lot of players are not represented by the current power block focused CSM. The idea earlier of a slate of candidates working together with specific areas of focus is where I expect is us to converge. I am serious about this and I hope others will join. There is no reason a minority of Eve should control the CSM. CSM6 has made it clear to a much larger audience that the CSM does affect CCP. For folks out there like myself the reject the notion that "null is the end game" (a sandbox by definition has no end game) and that CCP needs to hyperfocus on null. I hope this is the way to make sure CSM7 makes CCP realize he majority of Eve could care less about supercaps and sov and would love something as simple as making mining better, keeping PvE fresh or making high sec more dynamic. Issler Dainze Voice of Reason CSM 7 Candidate Sure, and I applaud your effort. I just thought the notion of being unable to make a living trading was weird. But I'm looking forward to seeing your proposals.
Of, the trading comment. I am basing that more on things I used to see a lot of folks doing that I rarely hear about any more. In our corp we see steady stream of players new to Eve. Used to be a time when we'd see them get thier fist Badger ot Mammoth and grind goods between regions, being pretty satisfied with the isks that made at that stage of their life in Eve. I don't see that as much anymore.
Again, this is the sort of stuff that might very well be dropped from the focus of the party. Once we get going we should be able to figure out the "right" focus.
Thanks for contributing to the discussions already!
Issler Dainze Voice of Reason Party CSM 7 candidate |
Issler Dainze
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Posted - 2012.01.27 05:59:00 -
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Ghazu wrote:lol why is wis on the bottom of the list
Please don't assume the order of the list to be the priority of the issues. WiS is something I think should be a high priority to make sure someone keeps it in CCPs plans.
Issler
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Issler Dainze
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Posted - 2012.01.28 08:40:00 -
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So the questions about miners asking to tilt the markets. Not our platform. I want to see the mining experiences get more interesting, rewarding and dynamic. To give the miners a reason to develop active skills to make them more isks. If I am PvP-ing fighting ship to ship my skills matter, my fit matters and my real time actions define my fate. Why isn't there something similar at the high end of mining?
The party believes in the market. The party will never support a position that violates that concept.
Eve is about conflict, the idea of risk and rewards, the idea that better skills and real time actions while in Eve improve outcomes.
The Voice of Reason Party wants CCP to make that true for EVERY aspect of Eve.
I hope that clarifies why CCP needs to think about high sec and all the activities many of us enjoy there.
Issler Dainze Voice of Reason Party CSM 7 Candidate |
Issler Dainze
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Posted - 2012.01.28 08:41:00 -
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Lyrrashae wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote: W-hole Alliances? Isn't W-Hole space the same as Null Sec or 0.0 Alliance space?
Not even close, mate. Not even freakin' close, beyond the w-system's nominal security rating of -1.00: Which means that bubbles and bombs can be used there, and that you can PvP and/or podkill with no security-status hit, and there are no sentry/station guns. That's where the similarities to k-space zerosec end. So "w-space is the same as [k-space] zerosec" in the sense that the basic (mainly tactical/PvP-oriented) mechanics based off of that security rating are the same, but that's pretty much it. In w-space (condensed list): 1) Cynos cannot be lit 2) Sovereignty cannot be held. No stations present or possible, you live out of a POS (and I've heard of some who've done so out of a cloaky Orca and some judiciously-anchored GSCs in a safe-spot ) 3) No moon-mining 4) No normal asteroid-belts, any rocks to mine must be probed down (and the best POS-refining modules carry huge waste compared to station-refineries; On the order of 25%, IIRC), and the amounts of ore you get are miniscule compared to known-space, as the grav sites usually don't re-spawn for at least a few days, usually much longer. No Ice-belts either, so those critical products must also be brought in from k-space. 5) Supercapitals cannot enter (IIRC) due to mass-limits on wormholes, nor can they be built in a wormhole (you need sov. to anchor an SCAA) 6) The only realistic way to have a fleet of standard capitals is to build them in your hole due to mass-limits, and it's likely that that is where they will stay until they get urp-sploded 7) No local chat 8) Your ways in and out on any given day change, and you've no idea where your "out-gate" goes until you go through it--logistics/re-supply/selling loot and salvage (Sleepers give no bounties, it's all in loot and especially salvage) is much more challenging/risky W-Life is about as different from sov-null as it can get, and in many ways, its' exact antithesis, with mechanics--mainly mass-limits on the wormhole deciding how much can enter at any given time--biased towards small-scale PvP, and high-end PvE with real risks of PvP at all times. In other words, the "end-game" for many of us in small corps/alliances that want nothing to do with sov-zerosec. That's why it belongs on Issler's list: Being a "holie" is the last bastion of the independent small corp./Alliance that wants to remain so, whilst still making a good living, whilst yet still holding most closely to EVE's core ethos of "more rewards = more risks to get/keep them." (Despite the hathos-inducing bleating of the sov-null sheep, this is not the case in a lot sov-null, and hasn't been for quite some while. Oh, have I mentioned that it's essentially impossible to bot in wormhole-space, too?)
Would you consider joining the Voice of Reason party as out WH candidate? You get it!
Issler
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Issler Dainze
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Posted - 2012.01.28 10:39:00 -
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Lyrrashae wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: Would you consider joining the Voice of Reason party as out WH candidate? You get it!
Issler
Why, thank you :) I had flirted with the idea of standing, but politicking is not for me, I think (read: I don't suffer fools gladly, and I'm sure you'll agree, there are a great many fools out there.)... In any case, there already is a wormhole candidate--Two Step--who seems to be running again for the right reasons, and who has, imho, demonstrated his integrity during CSM6. Maybe ask him? E: Sort. Your bloody. Forums, CCP!
Let's see if we can recruit him to the party and definitely join the discussions in the party forums when I get the VoR forums up and running!
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Issler Dainze
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Posted - 2012.01.30 21:40:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:I have a few question for Issler -
How many candidates is the VOR party hoping to place on the ballot?
What is your strategy to thwart the "vote splitting problem" (where placing multiple candidates might simply ensure none of them make it into the top 7) ?
What representative areas is the VOR party trying to field candidates for?
Which area do YOU represent as a VOR candidate?
- Thank you for your time.
The current idea is possibly three candidates with specific focus. There is a great proposal in this thread as to how we might make that split.
I'd be likely to be WiS, Mining and small corps.
If we can get the three "strongest" candidates of the independent candidates onboard and we get more of the folks that ignored the CSM voting last time as backlash from the CSM I hope we can collect enough votes among the three to get some of us in the top 7.
It is still technically before the whole mess starts so a lot of details are "tbd". Any suggestions are very welcome!
Issler |
Issler Dainze
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Posted - 2012.01.31 18:55:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:blocs predict a needed 2000 votes to get a single candidate on and thus aren't vote-splitting, if you try to run 3 candidates on a niche hisec ticket all you'll accomplish is diluting the voting pool for folks like trebor and meissa
I must be doing something right if I rated a visit from the king of Eve!
I'm not worthy, but still willing to make this effort!
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Issler Dainze
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Posted - 2012.01.31 20:51:00 -
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So one thing to be clear about, the initial suggestion was three candidates. Also the idea of seeing who would be interested in joining the party as a candidate and then finding the best candidate(s) in terms of electability. If we need to reduce the slate to a single candidate to make sure we get someone on the CSM7 we will.
The final VoR candidate list does not have to include me, if stronger alternatives come along that would support the party platform I am very willing to step aside and put my support behind other candidates.
So I defintely am leading the charge for now but I hope we get some other candidates to join the effort and we end up with someone that can garner all the support of the unaligned high sec pilots and assure we have representation in the CSM 7.
I also reject the idea of a goon high sec candidate, as one of the important aspects of the group the VoR seeks to represent are the "litlle guys". We don't need a candiate from a major power block pretending to represent high sec and the interests of the smaller corps and independent players. One of the major reasons for me trying to get the party going was a direct reaction to the power block bias of the CSM 6.
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Issler Dainze
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Posted - 2012.02.01 01:11:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:Mara Rinn wrote: As despicable and worthless as he is, The Mittani...
Non-block representatives don't have the luxury of being able to coordinate which of their subjects will vote for which candidate. We have to be more motivated and more informed than the bloc voters (thankfully, it's not hard to be more informed than null sec drones, it just required effort).
your posts make ron paul look entirely reasonable
I actually find Ron Paul reasonable! :-)
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Issler Dainze
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Posted - 2012.02.01 01:13:00 -
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Seleene wrote:
.. some pretty reasonable comments ..
I just want to say I think Seleene did try very heard to stay in communication with the players while serving in the CSM 6 and I appreciate that alot!
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Issler Dainze
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Posted - 2012.02.01 01:22:00 -
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I have to say seeing some prominent CSM 6 in this thread tells me something about the VoR message and the potential for a power block upset in the CSM 7 elections.
Rally together disenfranchised masses. We will storm the bastille!!
If we can get our act together we could dominate the election. The power blocks are already talking about several candiates themselves so they will be splitting their votes for sure.
Everyone, spread the word, we will take the CSM back in the CSM 7 elections!
The Voice of Reason believes all of Eve is based on conflict and it is about time the CCP focused on other areas of that conflict occurs that dominate life outside nulsec!
Miners!!! High Sec Dwellers! Explorers! Traders! Industrialists! Ambulation fans! Mission Runners! Space Tourists! Casual Players! Small Corps!
Join the Voice of Reason Party and send CCP a message, this is our game too!
Issler Dainze Voice of Reason Party CSM 7 Candidate |
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Posted - 2012.02.01 19:30:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:I don't represent people who want WiS to be prioritized over spaceships or love virtual pants, either.
This is the false argument that is always offered to support the anti-ambulation platform of many of the CSM 6 and the ambulation haters.
No one is suggesting ambulation be prioritized over FiS. Many, however want it to remain in plan and get some reasonable amount of resources applied to it.
The currentl CSM seemed however to want a stake dirven through the heart of ambulation, somehow trying to make the argument that it can't be worked on in any way without destroying FiS. Of course most of these same folks would like CCP working on all manner of nul sec mechanics and features that 80% of the Eve player base couldn't care less about while ignoring most FiS content those 80% would love to see.
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Posted - 2012.02.01 20:23:00 -
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Doris Dents wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:The Mittani wrote:I don't represent people who want WiS to be prioritized over spaceships or love virtual pants, either. This is the false argument that is always offered to support the anti-ambulation platform of many of the CSM 6 and the ambulation haters. No one is suggesting ambulation be prioritized over FiS. Many, however want it to remain in plan and get some reasonable amount of resources applied to it. The currentl CSM seemed however to want a stake dirven through the heart of ambulation, somehow trying to make the argument that it can't be worked on in any way without destroying FiS. Of course most of these same folks would like CCP working on all manner of nul sec mechanics and features that 80% of the Eve player base couldn't care less about while ignoring most FiS content those 80% would love to see. Issler Dainze Voice of Reason Party CSM 7 Candidate. Space Barbie got 1 1/2 years of dev time while FiS rotted on the vine with a joke of a skeleton crew and subs dropped off a cliff. I think it's done quite enough damage and sucked up enough resources already. WoD is dead and buried so I can't see CCP chucking more money and goodwill down that bottomless hole anyhow.
Again, a classic mistatement of the truth.
CCP dumped a lot of resources into other games including one with vampires while ignoring the cash cow that is Eve to fund their folly. They spent a little resource to test the tech in Eve and that is now the captains jail cell.
CCP promised ambulation, which will dramatically increase the popularity of Eve in general then played the cup and the pea game while they built vampires and we ended up with something that got no where near the promise they made to us.
You ambulation haters can go on and rant "space barbie" all you want but the fact is a lot of people in Eve today want ambulation. And to let CCP forget that is a disservice on the part of the CSM to the player base they are intended to support.
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Seleene wrote:Doris Dents wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:The Mittani wrote:I don't represent people who want WiS to be prioritized over spaceships or love virtual pants, either. This is the false argument that is always offered to support the anti-ambulation platform of many of the CSM 6 and the ambulation haters. No one is suggesting ambulation be prioritized over FiS. Many, however want it to remain in plan and get some reasonable amount of resources applied to it. The currentl CSM seemed however to want a stake dirven through the heart of ambulation, somehow trying to make the argument that it can't be worked on in any way without destroying FiS. Of course most of these same folks would like CCP working on all manner of nul sec mechanics and features that 80% of the Eve player base couldn't care less about while ignoring most FiS content those 80% would love to see. Issler Dainze Voice of Reason Party CSM 7 Candidate. Space Barbie got 1 1/2 years of dev time while FiS rotted on the vine with a joke of a skeleton crew and subs dropped off a cliff. I think it's done quite enough damage and sucked up enough resources already. WoD is dead and buried so I can't see CCP chucking more money and goodwill down that bottomless hole anyhow. Just to make something clear - CCP did not fire 20% of their employees, including the entire WOD Art staff and most of the technical programmers, because they planned to keep dumping enormous amounts of money into a development black hole. Have no doubt whatsoever that this is a direct result of their ADMITTED disastrous roll out of Incarna. Absolutely NOTHING that the CSM or players say at this point is going to change CCP's development direction for at least the next 12 months (spaceships). One more time - even CSM 6 isn't trying to drive a stake through anything. CCP did that themselves. NO ONE is going to change their mind at this point. This is not MY OPINION, it's just the way it is. I've no doubt that at some point in the future, CCP will resume serious work on Incarna but, and this is a big BUT, when they do they will do it very carefully because they know they will only have one more chance to get it right.
The CSM 6 Overlord seems to make it clear the CSM did want to drive a stake through ambulation, so maybe y'all should get your messaging straight.
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Seleene wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:I insist: Crucible did NOTHING for me and many other players like me. Cripes, I'd be happy to see serious time put into making mining more interesting!
So why didn't you make any effort in the CSM 6 to get that to happen?
To be fair, there are some very good things in that list, a lot of them are more patch worthy than what I expect from an expansion, some of them most of us could care less about (time dilation for example), some I think were net negative like POCOs and most would have happened without the CSM 6. The new Neocom was coming regardless of the CSM 6, as were most of the balancing items mentioned.
So I don't want to be a blanket detractor of the CSM 6 but could you identify the items in your list you attribute to the CSM 6 and not something what was in queue and happening already.
I'll save you some time, not much because given the very short dev window CCP faced to produce Crucibile, all the big items were already being developed.
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The Mittani wrote:
i see you claim we've done no work on mining, when we've spent quite a bit of time discussing the drone alloy situation with ccp and that's in the minutes, too, and is likely to be solved soon. consider me mildly annoyed by your obvious, easily dismissed falsehoods.
That is about nul and not the daily high sec belt miner. When I talk about real improvmements in the mining experience I'm talking about how mining works for the average player.
Noodling with sources of high end minerals will affect markets to be sure but the majority of miners won't notice a thing. They don't mine the ore those minerals come from.
Thanks for a great example of the basic disconnect that CSM 6 has with the average "carebear" miner.
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The Mittani wrote:
yes yes, a coherent media messaging strategy from CSM6 which got dramatic, effective results means i'm an ~overlord~ and we have to keep in lockstep on the forums
i don't mind you running, but don't spew childish hyperbole without having done your research; csm6 offers a variety of wildly different opinions on a broad spectrum of issues - but when it comes to pressure tactics, we get the job done as a unit, for the benefit of all (unless you don't like Crucible and loved Incarna, in which case i magnanimously welcome your spite).
the idea that i control seleene or trebor is simply laughable - and if you repeat such tosh, your candidacy will be too.
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i see you claim we've done no work on mining, when we've spent quite a bit of time discussing the drone alloy situation with ccp and that's in the minutes, too, and is likely to be solved soon. consider me mildly annoyed by your obvious, easily dismissed falsehoods.
I've always given the CSM 6 props for their effectiveness, its why I'm trying to make sure there are some carebears in the next CSM to help delute the effectiveness at driving CCP focus to the interests of nulsec power blocks you guys represent.
I also recongnize there is variety in the opinions of the CSM 6. I would never deny that. However, you have created a situation where there is a widely held perception that you do in fact dominate the CSM 6. I can't say I'm in that camp and don't intend to run a VoR vs. a single individual is the CSM campaign. Now VoR vs. a myoptic "our primary interests over all others" power block seeking to dominate the CSM 7, that is my campaign in a nutshell. Ok, not entirely. Here is the essense of my campaign.
Eve is PvP CONFLICT in every element of the experience.
This is not just "in ships, shoot a stranger in the face" conflict. It is fighting for isks when cleaning out a belt, when playing the markets, when collecting assetts missioning, it is being more efficient building to make more than the other guy. It is everything in Eve. And it is having fun doing it on your own terms. How, when and where you want to do it. In this giant multifaceted scifi universe sandbox simulator.
For too long we have been told by the "elite" that there is an "endgame" we all must be driven to in null and that aspects of we enjoy, like RP, small high sec corps, solo play and eventually walking in stations is something we should be ashamed of and be forced to abandon. I call to others, like myself that reject the notion that a small group of powerful players can dictate to CCP changes in our game that devalue our chosen style of game play. I believe that the CSM 6 showed very clearly that the CSM can distract CCP to focus on the interests of a powerful minority and ignore the majority of the players of Eve.
I do appreciate the dialog with the members of the CSM 6 that have chosen to post here.
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Weaselior wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:The Mittani wrote:
i see you claim we've done no work on mining, when we've spent quite a bit of time discussing the drone alloy situation with ccp and that's in the minutes, too, and is likely to be solved soon. consider me mildly annoyed by your obvious, easily dismissed falsehoods.
That is about nul and not the daily high sec belt miner. When I talk about real improvmements in the mining experience I'm talking about how mining works for the average player. Noodling with sources of high end minerals will affect markets to be sure but the majority of miners won't notice a thing. They don't mine the ore those minerals come from. Thanks for a great example of the basic disconnect that CSM 6 has with the average "carebear" miner. Issler hello issler i hate to pull your pants down in front of the entire class but drone alloys are the biggest source of low-ends in the game, the things the average miner mines I hope this was edifying to you!
I hate to pull your pants down but as I said, that will affect MARKETS! Not the fundamental mining experience that every miner has since mining was put in Eve. You know, the thing that every PvP-er describes when they belittle miners for doing something boring and repetitive.
Learn to read more carefully. I said right up front markets will be affected, but that doesn't change warp to belt, approach rock of interest, target, activate laser...yawn... repeat, do one of a couple of the same things for years with the ore one you fill your hull.... rinse, repeat.
That is the mining experience that needs some improvements, that is what I meant. If you don't see that as the problem then you really have no idea what miners would like to see improve.
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The Mittani wrote:weaselior ownzoned issler out of her own candidacy thread
hi5s all around
You mean the guy that shows he misread my post and has no clue as what needs to change to make mining more enjoyable. It isn't just about isks, its about the activity itself.
This is where so many lose the plot. How many isks you make per hour isn't the metric that matters. It is the amount of fun you have per hour that matters most of all. The isks you make contributes to that but is only one of many factors.
The other part about mining is you quickly plateau. You can quickly train all the skills that will ever matter to you, get the best ships that help you mine and then then what? When is the last time something that changed the mining experience or provided a new skill to learn was put into Eve? And yet, this is an activity a huge segment of Eve spends their time doing.
For example, PvX, there is the complexity of ship fitting, even ship choice, real time activities that affect the outcome and real skill will improve your results, you learn and get better. There is no reason mining can't be made more like that.
I'd even suggest this, if mining was working the way a lot of miners would like it, it would be a lot hard to bot it. It would be a dynamic activity where active real time participation would improve results dramatically.
And again thanks for the excellent example of how you don't get mining.
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Two step wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Here is the essense of my campaign. Eve is PvP CONFLICT in every element of the experience.
This is not just "in ships, shoot a stranger in the face" conflict. It is fighting for isks when cleaning out a belt, when playing the markets, when collecting assetts missioning, it is being more efficient building to make more than the other guy. It is everything in Eve. And it is having fun doing it on your own terms. How, when and where you want to do it. In this giant multifaceted scifi universe sandbox simulator.
For too long we have been told by the "elite" that there is an "endgame" we all must be driven to in null and that aspects of we enjoy, like RP, small high sec corps, solo play and eventually walking in stations is something we should be ashamed of and be forced to abandon. I call to others, like myself that reject the notion that a small group of powerful players can dictate to CCP changes in our game that devalue our chosen style of game play. I believe that the CSM 6 showed very clearly that the CSM can distract CCP to focus on the interests of a powerful minority and ignore the majority of the players of Eve.
Maybe I am missing something, but did you forget to include your actual plan here? This sounds like a marketing blurb for the game. I also missed the part where the CSM banned RP though, so maybe I am just not paying attention today.
Can you point at a single game element suggested by CSM 6 that was focused at improving RP? You don't have to ban something if you can get CCP 100% focused on something else.
Plans with details to follow, remember, we aren't even in the election period yet. My activities so far have been to spread the word about the party and to if there are other canadiate interested. Remember, I want to support the best possible high sec non power block aligned candidates to make sure there is representation in CSM 7, and it is very possible that is someone other than me.
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Andski wrote:signing your posts doesn't win you votes sorry
As I've explained in the past, I sign my posts as "branding".
Issler and doesn't you "sig" declaring you as running for the CSM 7 amount to the same thing?
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Wolfduke wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:]This is where so many lose the plot. How many isks you make per hour isn't the metric that matters. It is the amount of fun you have per hour that matters most of all. The isks you make contributes to that but is only one of many factors. I think all miners would disagree there. ISK is ALWAYS the bottom line. Issler Dainze wrote:]The other part about mining is you quickly plateau. You can quickly train all the skills that will ever matter to you, get the best ships that help you mine and then then what? When is the last time something that changed the mining experience or provided a new skill to learn was put into Eve? And yet, this is an activity a huge segment of Eve spends their time doing. Quickly train? Again I beg to differ. Any idea how long it takes to train Exhumers V? Ore processing V? Mining Foreman Links? Issler Dainze wrote:I'd even suggest this, if mining was working the way a lot of miners would like it, it would be a lot hard to bot it. It would be a dynamic activity where active real time participation would improve results dramatically. Unfortunately you have yet to demonstrate or even hint at what this might even begin to entail. Issler Dainze wrote:And again thanks for the excellent example of how you don't get mining. It would appear that you don't either.
Since I've run a mining corp with great success for 5+ years, I think I have some idea what miners want and it definitely is not "isks per hour".
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:
Issler
Your name is over there to the left, under your portrait. Repeating this does nothing except annoy people who read it. Some people use that fact in order to elicit negative responses out of people, but some are just oblivious. Though, it might just get you an invite to the Tautology Club. They're very selective, only accepting a handful of applicants. You have to prove to them that you would fit in, by making it clear that your share their interests.
Well, I will consider that feedback. |
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Weaselior wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Weaselior wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:The Mittani wrote:
i see you claim we've done no work on mining, when we've spent quite a bit of time discussing the drone alloy situation with ccp and that's in the minutes, too, and is likely to be solved soon. consider me mildly annoyed by your obvious, easily dismissed falsehoods.
That is about nul and not the daily high sec belt miner. When I talk about real improvmements in the mining experience I'm talking about how mining works for the average player. Noodling with sources of high end minerals will affect markets to be sure but the majority of miners won't notice a thing. They don't mine the ore those minerals come from. Thanks for a great example of the basic disconnect that CSM 6 has with the average "carebear" miner. Issler hello issler i hate to pull your pants down in front of the entire class but drone alloys are the biggest source of low-ends in the game, the things the average miner mines I hope this was edifying to you! I hate to pull your pants down but as I said, that will affect MARKETS! Not the fundamental mining experience that every miner has since mining was put in Eve. You know, the thing that every PvP-er describes when they belittle miners for doing something boring and repetitive. Learn to read more carefully. I said right up front markets will be affected, but that doesn't change warp to belt, approach rock of interest, target, activate laser...yawn... repeat, do one of a couple of the same things for years with the ore one you fill your hull.... rinse, repeat. That is the mining experience that needs some improvements, that is what I meant. If you don't see that as the problem then you really have no idea what miners would like to see improve. Issler hello issler i will work on reading you more closely! i did that, and found, once again, you said this: "Noodling with sources of high end minerals will affect markets to be sure but the majority of miners won't notice a thing. They don't mine the ore those minerals come from." you may notice that this is horribly wrong because the drone regions - the largest source of low-end minerals - produce the very minerals 'the majority of miners' mine. in the future when you get 0wned and need to claim you never said any such thing, I recommend waiting a day or two so i won't immediately notice and 0wn you again, and to cut out the offending portion from the quote so your own post doesn't include both the thing you said and a denial of ever saying such thing now that we've all agreed the CSM has done more to improve the life of the average miner than all CSMs before it, we can and should discuss further ways chairman for life the mittani will improve mining in CSM7 so we can populate the belts with more prey to devour
You are using the isk per hour, not the enjoyment per hour metric. My point is mining as an activity is what needs improvement. Making the bots more money per hour which is a side affect fo this change could just feed the common conspiracy theory that it is the nul power blocks that benefit the most from mining bots.
Start thinking about how the actual experience of mining could be made more challenging and fun and then you can understand what I want to bring to mining. The CSM 6 did nothing to address the fundemental improvements in mining that from direct experience I know that many miners would like.
It is fun per hour that matter most. Once the markets adjust the overal experience for high sec miners will be "same as it ever was".
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Wolfduke wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:
Since I've run a mining corp with great success for 5+ years, I think I have some idea what miners want and it definitely is not "isks per hour".
Issler
Have you yourself mined? Have you canvassed those you claim to lead? What was their response? Do you have a rebuttal to the other points I made?
My focus in Eve has been almost 100% mining focused, I have mined myself for years, I have represented miners in 2 previous CSMs.
Sorry about the lack of point by point rebuttal but I generally don't find members of nulsec power blocks to be very close to the feelings of the high sec small corp miners I seek to represent.
If you'd like to make a case that mining has an extensive career path with active and dynamic elements and that real skill can dramatically improve your results like it does in PvX ship combat or that it isn't about fun per hour but only isks per hour I'm happy to debate you.
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Andski wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Making the bots more money per hour which is a side affect fo this change could just feed the common conspiracy theory that it is the nul power blocks that benefit the most from mining bots. there are no mining bots in high-sec, nope not at all
Never said that, just saying there is a popular conspiracy theory that claims the big alliances are the ones botting the most and the folks that hold to than notion will claim the CSM 6 pushed for this change to maximize their profits. I think those same folks go on to connect it to RMT and would then say the money is used to pay for the Quafe filled underground grotto that is under Mittens secret lair.
I could see that maybe being true in part, in that in well controlled alliance held nulsec some alliances would let some members bot, but why would mittens spend a second messing with bots when he controls isk printing moons? So I thnk I'd be surprised if there was any thruth to those rumors. Although if it turns out Mittens does have a Quafe filled underground grotto you heard it here first!
You have to admit that if mining was changes to something that required real time player feedback to maximize yields you could create a system much harder to bot. |
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Wolfduke wrote:
1. I think all miners would disagree there. ISK is ALWAYS the bottom line.
2. Quickly train? Again I beg to differ. Any idea how long it takes to train Exhumers V? Ore processing V? Mining Foreman Links?
3. Unfortunately you have yet to demonstrate or even hint at what this might even begin to entail.
4. It would appear that you don't either.
You are right, no matter where you hail from, you deserve a specifc point by point rebutal.
1. I have run a mining corp for half a decade. It is about fun per hour that keeps people in Eve no matter what you do. So I am sorry but I disagree with you. If you disagree then I would suggest you play a game called "Progress Quest" where you don't have to do anything to accumulate "wealth".
2. Getting those skills to V will increase your profit, however, they don't change anything about what you can fly or how you mine. They do not make it more fun per hour of play. If you are mining to maximize isks per hour I would argue that you should consider other activities in Eve.
3. Imagine the UI presented you with a "mining display" where all elements are presented grpahicallyand you had to adjust elements to keep the laser producing. Depending on how those are shown in the UI it could be made much more difficult to script any sort of effective bot. If CCP was serious about making it extremely hard they could even take measures that would prevent any easy client side hacking that could circumvent that.
4. And you are wrong and my history in game make that clear.
There you go, the rebutal you requested.
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Wolfduke wrote:
PVE is crap, missions are repetitive, rats are repetitive and plexes are only enjoyable for the pot at the end of the rainbow. But people do it because it generates ISK.
Mining is also an isk generating venture. If you wanted to continue on from that then you would manufacture, research, market. To make the argument that mining should be improved because it is boring is to say that all base level isk generating activities should be made more enjoyable - it does not make sense as ISK is a means to an end. If miners want more than click click rinse repeat then the opportunities are there for them.
As for the "nullsec" (note the additional l there) powerblock thing - to think that we are only interested in our own little world is both ignorant and degrading. If you wish to make a stand for CSM then I would expect such a candidate to make full and considered response - not bare minimum posts with the intent to either fob off or disenfranchise the recipient.
So everyone that PvEs in Eve is "wrong"? Same for "missions and rats". And the only thing you like about plexes is the pay off?
I would suggest that many folks in Eve continue to participate in those activities and just because you don't enjoy them, many folks do.
You're opinion about that is enjoyable in Eve is just that, your opinion. Statisitcs prove you mostly wrong because if you were correct no one would be doing any of those things.
You actually are going a great job of making the case that we need someone with a broader appreciation of how the majority of players in Eve choose to spend their time. Because if the CSM could get CCP to make a game with the kind of feeback you just provided Eve would be dead in a year.
You are entitled to your opinion, you are not entitled to make everyone else adopt it however.
Honestly, given how little you seem to like most of the elements of Eve I'd love to hear what keeps you playing. I'm being serious, what makes Eve worth your time in your opinion? |
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Mara Rinn wrote:Wolfduke wrote:I think all miners would disagree there. ISK is ALWAYS the bottom line. If ISK was indeed the bottom line, they would be running missions for 20M ISK/hr, not 7M ISK/hr. For all the people I know who participate in mining, the main motivation is shooting the breeze, socializing, and participating in a low-attention activity where ISK is a convenient side effect. For w-space in particular, mining is something they do because they literally have nothing else to do: no signatures, no anomalies, waiting for reactions to complete before opening the exit and heading off to market. That lady who stood up at FanFest 2011 is truly representative of hisec miners. They like their relatively relaxing hypnotic screen saver. That aspect of gameplay is important to them. Wolfduke wrote:Quickly train? Again I beg to differ. Any idea how long it takes to train Exhumers V? Ore processing V? Mining Foreman Links? "Quick" is a relative term in EVE. The SP ceiling for mining is lower than the SP ceiling for, say, T2 cruisers. An Orca is a far less efficient mining boat than an Osprey, much less a Hulk. One of my characters is a perfect hulk pilot, but has fewer SP invested in mining than flying an Oracle with T2 large pulse lasers. Sure, the SP ceiling for T2 frigates is lower, if you stay away from EAS.
There is a big social aspect to mining in high sec. It is definitely what drives mining in my corp. Cooperative activities with a strong social element. How many times have you met a miner that was in corp "x" but left because there were never any mining ops? We hear that all the time from folks joining us from other corps.
The ability to keep mining an activity that can stay similar to the current experience if that is what the player wants is important. What I'd like to see is a new more active element. So if you want an more challenging and rewarding mining experience you can be more real time focused and get better rewards. Say a new family of realtime active mining lasers that you have to focus on the 'roid. Or another class of mining droids that you control real time. Just some brainstorming of possible new mining experiences.
An idea I still come back to us comets, something that would add some new skills, something you would have to mine "actively" and if done right could become somethat that as your real skill improves so do your outcomes.
There will be some VoR discussions during the elections with miners to see if we can develop some ideas to present to CCP so that maybe the miners can finally get some long overdue attention.
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Two step wrote:The role of the CSM isn't to play Junior Game Designer and come up with some new system for mining. CCP has people to design stuff. If fact, those people are kinda protective of their jobs and really don't appreciate some amateur telling them what to do.
I would expect someone who has been on the CSM before to know all this.
I have long held that the CSM is not mean to be Eve's "feature farries" to CCP. The CSM 6 seems to have changed that to being CCPs thought leaders in Eve. So I would absolutely strongly advocate the idea of new mining experience to CCP as part of the CSM 7.
If you search some of my posts in the general discsussion section (may be the old forums by now) you'll see I made a call out to CCP to ignore the shouty minority and let the game designers do their job and to surprise us with their awesomeness. Sadly, that seemed to fall on deaf ears.
I am just offering ideas in order to start dialogs. I have no expectation that anything I suggest gets implements as suggested. I offered those ideas in response to someone asking to clarify what I meant by new mining experiences.
What my job in the CSM would be is to make sure that CCP comes up with that new mining experience because I believe there is a strong interest in one in the mining player community.
And as for my experience, I have direct experience in the games industry and in fact every time you play Eve you are usng a graphics pipeline I helped invent.
So could you explain again what your post was trying to accomplish? |
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Gizu Ichosira wrote:Issler ,
My small group of friends (real friends, not alts) gathers a few times a week to assist the Empire factions in dealing with the ever-present NPC threat. I have also tried mining, trading, manufacturing and research in both high-security and low-security space, however I find these to be less fun and less profitable than running NPC missions with friends. Although I have no interest in harrassing other Capsuleers for 'lulz' or 'tears', I do appreciate the element of risk and excitement introduced by the sociopathic sadists who enjoy inflicting grief upon others.
Empire space needs better representation on the CSM. I agree that miners need new content, and I am impressed with your resiliance against trolling. Your candidate will have our support.
I would also like to suggest some changes to improve gameplay in Empire space:
-Non-mutual war declarations should not be valid in high-security systems. As it is today, Capsuleers in corporations that become the target of a war declaration have no choice but to leave their corp or remain docked indefinitely.
-Members of NPC corporations should be automatically involved in faction warfare, but only in low-security systems. This 'lite' FW will improve RP and encourage new Capsuleers to form fleets to enter low-sec space for PvP. If they wish to fly in low-sec without this added risk, they can join or create a player corp.
-Add the ability to 'undo' a gate jump if the other side of a gate is hostile and the Capsuleer does not wish to engage the campers. A 30 minute cool-down timer before the ability can be used again would prevent mis-use. Campers can still perform a strategic role by denying entry to a system, or attempt to catch the ships that ignore the danger and continue into the system.
-Stealing from a can or a wreck should evoke a global aggression timer. This would not incur the wrath of CONCORD - they have better things to do - however it would allow other players to punish the thief. CONCORD's current policy allows suicide gankers use 'alts' to collect loot from their victim's wreck with no risk. This change would also allow combat ships to protect miners from can-flippers.
-Add a way for Capsuleers to warn their Corporation or Alliance members when they suspect that a neutral ship is an 'alt' belonging to an enemy. They could be marked as "Suspected hostile alt" or "Suspected alt for Capsuleer [name]" on a shared persistant list. I assume some groups are already doing this out-of-game. It would be nice to see it included as a tool we can all use.
-Remove the ability to advertise contracts in local chat. That is not the purpose of local chat. If people want to buy your deadspace afterburner they will search for it in the existing contract search interface.
Some great stuff there that I want to respond to in more detail when I get a little time (This evening perhaps).
Thanks for the post!
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Over the weekend I spent some time thinking about how to best succeed at getting some of our candidates elected.
I came up with some ideas and I want to bounce them off folks following this thread. By the way thanks for making this the most active Jita part thread at the moment! Keep this up and we will wins some seats in CSM 7.
1. Is the Voice of Reason party the right name? Something as simple as having the right name can make a huge difference. So thoughts on what name resonates the most.
2. There have been some great folks that came forward so far with ideas but have decided to not run because of the time commitment. For that reason I am going to create a party advisory council. These would be folks that would take on a role throughout the CSM 7 as their time permits with specific game area focus and assist the elected candidates refine their focus. So thoughts? Anyone interested in a "cabinert" role?
3. We need to narrow our focus. Here are some potential areas. So I think mining is definite the top ranked issue and I know there are others. Feedback?
a. mining
b. high missions
c. casual play
d. NPC corps
e. ambulation
f. alternatives to Technetium
g. RP
h. exploration.
Once I settle the issue of the party name I'll get a domain and a website with blogs and a forum for the party.
So let me know what you all think about these ideas. Let's see if we can get the areas of primary focus down to the top few and then develop a great plan to get support and win some seats in CSM 7!
Also still hoping for a few more candidates to join the effort and now looking for avisory board members!
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Xorv wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: So let me know what you all think about these ideas. Let's see if we can get the areas of primary focus down to the top few and then develop a great plan to get support and win some seats in CSM 7! Issler
a. mining Move to other parts of space, why would there be mining in highly industrialized parts of space, surely most of it would have been mined long ago, so leave just enough for newbies to try out. More Gravimetric sites in the other areas of space, makes miners a little less vulnerable when they have to be scanned down. b. high missions All High payout missions should be tied to Faction War type mechanics, where players compete over lucrative PvE payouts. High Sec space invaded by Incursions should drop security levels to that of Low Sec or Null for the duration of the Incursion, this will make it not only more interesting and make more sense, but also open up more opportunities for RP with players able to side with the Sansha. c. casual play Empire Space, both High and Low, should be governed by NPC Faction politics (As opposed to Null which is purely Player politics) This makes for a less demanding and easier navigated environment for Casual players without infringing on the spirit of what EVE is about. d. NPC corps See Malcanis' High Sec Manifesto. e. ambulation Not a High Sec issue. f. alternatives to Technetium Should stay in Null, it's one of the reasons for controlling space out there. That said the ability to Raid and pillage some of that resource in Null without capturing moons would be good, but it's not a High Sec issue. g. RP Make standings to NPCs matter, Make Faction War an integrated aspect of all activities in Empire Space. Allow players to side with the Sansha in Incursions. Basically make all player actions towards NPCs have lasting meaningful consequences both positive and negative. h. exploration. Like mining this is something that shouldn't really be in High Sec. If you want to improve exploration as a profession it should be expanded upon in Wormhole space
a. I think there would still be mining in areas under concord control. Concord would have an itnerest to keep the peace where valuable resources are found.
b. I'd say low sec should be where high pay out shoulld be as well. I thought about running with a low sec focus as it is one area in Eve needing a lot of luvin'. But for now I'm leaving it for later in terms of my focus with the CSM.
c. Basically Agree.
d. Ambulation seems to be an issue of more interest to the player base I seek to represent so I am definitely leaving it on the table.
f. No, it is a issue for manufactures. I'm not saying remove it from the moons but finally provide an alternative reaction to make it like all the other high ends.
g. Worth exploring in greater detail for sure.
h. I disagree, I think it could be evolved to be another new set of PvE experiences.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Houm... still thinking about a name, but meanwhile... We can split the focus points into two cathegories: - Things that could be acomplished as "fixes" (change/add mechanics) mining, exploration, more / better missions... - Things that should be created from scratch WiS content, casual gameplay, endgame content for hisec... In a way, there are so many hisec issues that need attention that they can't be forwarded to CCP all in a row; nullsec CSM will be pushing two or three issues as most, and thus spreading hisec's efforts in many areas could be self defeating. Also, whatever candidate was elected, should look forward to cooperate with nullsec CSM, else would be regarded as obstructionist which would be harmful for hisec interests. The point is telling CCP that hisec also wants their attention, and then go and push a couple of issues. The more handy are, likely, mining and WiS. Mining because CSM is already willing to think of it, so a hisec candidate should protect hisec interest (not nerfing ores nor ice in hisec nor WH, FAI), assist the CSM in pushing CCP to defeat bots, et cetera; and WiS because arguably it's absolute bullshit to have the avatar technology and let it rot in a prison cell for a year or two or how long takes team avatar to grow to a usable size and get the necessary workforce. In the meanwhile, the NEx could use some attention, be filled with the already developed content and get a price cut... then add limited multiplayer ability to CQ (invite buddies), add some simple animations (emotes) and let players determine how to use that. Or, even in a smaller scale, just enable to switch clothes w/o redoing the portrait. Throw us a bone. Also, from a moral standpoint would be interesting to ask what the hell did they planned to do with the CQ provided they are developing WiS gameplay now, rather than before launching Incarna...
Key to success of whoever we get elected is their ability to work with the rest of the CSM. I will be important to cooperate. The point of my effort is balancing CCP's focus and not domination of a single player viewpoint.
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Posted - 2012.02.06 23:26:00 -
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Gizu Ichosira wrote:Issler ,
My small group of friends (real friends, not alts) gathers a few times a week to assist the Empire factions in dealing with the ever-present NPC threat. I have also tried mining, trading, manufacturing and research in both high-security and low-security space, however I find these to be less fun and less profitable than running NPC missions with friends. Although I have no interest in harrassing other Capsuleers for 'lulz' or 'tears', I do appreciate the element of risk and excitement introduced by the sociopathic sadists who enjoy inflicting grief upon others.
Empire space needs better representation on the CSM. I agree that miners need new content, and I am impressed with your resiliance against trolling. Your candidate will have our support.
I would also like to suggest some changes to improve gameplay in Empire space:
-Non-mutual war declarations should not be valid in high-security systems. As it is today, Capsuleers in corporations that become the target of a war declaration have no choice but to leave their corp or remain docked indefinitely.
-Members of NPC corporations should be automatically involved in faction warfare, but only in low-security systems. This 'lite' FW will improve RP and encourage new Capsuleers to form fleets to enter low-sec space for PvP. If they wish to fly in low-sec without this added risk, they can join or create a player corp.
-Add the ability to 'undo' a gate jump if the other side of a gate is hostile and the Capsuleer does not wish to engage the campers. A 30 minute cool-down timer before the ability can be used again would prevent mis-use. Campers can still perform a strategic role by denying entry to a system, or attempt to catch the ships that ignore the danger and continue into the system.
-Stealing from a can or a wreck should evoke a global aggression timer. This would not incur the wrath of CONCORD - they have better things to do - however it would allow other players to punish the thief. CONCORD's current policy allows suicide gankers use 'alts' to collect loot from their victim's wreck with no risk. This change would also allow combat ships to protect miners from can-flippers.
-Add a way for Capsuleers to warn their Corporation or Alliance members when they suspect that a neutral ship is an 'alt' belonging to an enemy. They could be marked as "Suspected hostile alt" or "Suspected alt for Capsuleer [name]" on a shared persistant list. I assume some groups are already doing this out-of-game. It would be nice to see it included as a tool we can all use.
-Remove the ability to advertise contracts in local chat. That is not the purpose of local chat. If people want to buy your deadspace afterburner they will search for it in the existing contract search interface.
1. Wardec mechanisms need a revamp to be sure. Right now there are so many hoops little corps go through to deal with the mayhem they can create (corp jumping, temp to NPC corps....). One thing I've always felt is there should be some sort of declared "you win its over, now leave us alone" condition or in other words some stated goal that brings a war to an end. Before I get spammed by everyone that claims I am trying to propose some solution to the wardec in highsec issue, I'm not. I support looking at it in great detail and seeing if we can improve it because folks on both sides aren't satisfied with it as is.
2. I liike the idea. I would love to hear what other folks think. I've maintained for a long time what I'd like to see happen in low sec is a mechanism evolve where player organization can essentially become the local law enforcement agencies and that idea seems like a step in that direction.
3. I want to see gate guns return to what they were originally intended to be. Righ now they only thing they actually do is accidently get a noob ganked. Low sec pirates can permacamp the gate guns and that was never their intention. What I have suggested is that the forces at the gate gradually escalate so that permanent low sec gate camps become a thing of the past. Another great topic for some deep conversations about ways to improve this aspect of Eve.
4. The can/wreck idea definitely is something could support.
5. We are constantly updating individual standings to deal with hostile neutrals.
6. I agree with unspamming the local chat! Spam is meant to be fried and eaten in a sandwich, not to make my local chat channel blink non-stop with contract nonsense.
Sorry I hadn't gotten back to you sooner! Thanks for your post!
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Posted - 2012.02.07 19:59:00 -
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So an update on the plans.
We will be renaming the party.
We will focus on a single candidate with a council to support who we get elected.
We will focus on the follow in this order
Mining Missions Keeping CCP's feet to the fire for ambulation
and secondarily
Can flipping/wreck stealing/agression/low sec gate mechanics NPC corp mechanics
Looking for volunteers for the council!
And suggestions for a party name!
Still time for someone else to come forward to be the candidate for this party if there is someone with more "eve celebity" than me to improve our chances of gettting CSM 7 representation!
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Posted - 2012.02.07 20:48:00 -
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Temmu Guerra wrote:How many times am I going to see someone ask for CCP to take a look at the can flipping / Ninja Salvaging mechanics. They have said multiple times it is working as intended and there will be no change.
I think this idea deserves some support.
From Gizu
-Stealing from a can or a wreck should evoke a global aggression timer. This would not incur the wrath of CONCORD - they have better things to do - however it would allow other players to punish the thief. CONCORD's current policy allows suicide gankers use 'alts' to collect loot from their victim's wreck with no risk. This change would also allow combat ships to protect miners from can-flippers.
So I guess your answer is at least one more time.
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Posted - 2012.02.08 23:34:00 -
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Please feel free to continue this discussion in the updated Rational Party Thread.
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Retar Aveymone wrote:i will be filing a protest with ccp to have the likes for this thread invalidated on the grounds that editing the thread and thread title long after it was posted to obtain likes is a violation of the system
Since this was my first thread and CCP never really told us specifically how to do this, good luck with that!
Its more likely to get the likes from the second thread added to this one!
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Posted - 2012.02.09 23:38:00 -
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And to folks that may have "liked" posts in the the thread that also support the idea of me in the CSM 7, be sure to like the initial post of this thread to get me over the magic "100". It isn't clear what CCP intended to be the number to used to make that bar, but just in case.
Thanks for your support!
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Ghazu wrote:so just issler now? pfft, and LOL editing the title of thread
Based on the candidates already in and the likely amount of support, we need to get someone to support this segment of Eve elected.
However, I believe so far I am the only one creating a player council and saying I will represent the folks that elected me and present their ideas to CCP compared to others with their own agendas and game design plans.
Had to edit the title because CCP gave us no guidance as to how we were supposed to get our "likes". I expected CCP was going to set something up themselves once they had applications. I had no idea it was going to be based on a simple "set up an official candidate thread and get "likes" thing.
Sorry for the confusion,
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Posted - 2012.02.10 09:50:00 -
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Ghazu wrote:you are suffering from illusions of grandeur and lack of confidence at the same time.
make another thread, when you have some actual "sub-bullet points" to put under the various topics of your platform.
you should have no trouble getting 100 likes there as the leading hisec rigths activist and the illustrious creator of the first threadnought of this hallowed forum, if your platform is sound.
Well thanks for some free space doctoring about my noggin.
As to new thread, if CCP says I need to do something different I'm happy to oblige.
For now, looks as though I have the hundred any way you measure it.
As to the bullet points, what part of I am not a wanna be game designer and I seek to represent the miners of Eve and my plan is to drive what they want into CCP's plans.
Since that concept of a CSM member actually representing the players that elected them alludes you... here.
-Represent the miners of Eve and work on getting CCP to create a better mining experience based on what the miners themselves ask me to suggest.
-Represent folks in Eve that want missions to be a better experience and forward the suggestions that those players provide to CCP and make it clear to them that this is a segment of Eve that deserves attention.
-Make sure CCP keeps ambulation in their plans going forward based on my threadnaugh in the forums that proved there is player support for the feature.
There you go, an answer with bullets and everything..
Thanks for a reason to bump my thread!
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Posted - 2012.02.10 10:14:00 -
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Akrasjel Lanate wrote:GFS "pupet" candidate
I expect you meant puppet. And GFS is Goon Fleet Something or other?
Who were you referring to?
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Posted - 2012.02.10 19:42:00 -
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So I'll be challenging the other candidates to explain what their position in the state of mining is and what priority they would give mining over the term of the CSM 7.
Let see who really is the miners friend!
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Posted - 2012.02.11 00:29:00 -
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Rayke Galastacia wrote:I'm new to this posting junk. Is there any way to filter out the goonies? Every time I see a post from them all I hear is 'truffle shuffle'.
And Issler, this carebear believes in you.
Thanks!
There is supposed to be some way to make specific posters not appear. I don't know how to do it so I've just trained myself to skip past the idiots!
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:So I'll be challenging the other candidates to explain what their position in the state of mining is and what priority they would give mining over the term of the CSM 7.
Let see who really is the miners friend!
Issler Certainly not you since you're only pretending to care about mining in a cheap ploy to garner votes. Everybody knows that the only thing you care about is getting more space pants for your toonies.
Yes, you have found me out, I have been running a mining corp for almost 6 years because of a dislike of mining.
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Hippolyte Pixii wrote:Issler has my vote.
Eve is touted as being a sandbox game.
Issler is the one that understands this best. She's quite childish. It's nice to see that Issler's alts are going to vote for her. It would be pretty sad if they voted for somebody else.
I never post with an alt, as I've told you repeatedly.
But keep thinking that.
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Taiwanistan wrote:explain why your character has squinty slit eyes while using Japanese names for your corp and alliance. so you are listening to the miners and the wis lovers what are their concerns and what do they want respectively? let me guess wis lovers: social gameplay trumped up to be "immersion", and more pants miners: whining about ganking,
Corp name is a reference to elements of an earlier space game called Earth and Beyond. Also where the common llama references come from. If you had taken even a moment to research me and my corp you would know that.
Squinty eyes?? That's a reach.
I am listening to miners because I am a miner and I run a well established many year old mining corporation.
I am listening to folks that want ambulation because I also want ambulation.
Trolls: Mentally diminished station dwelling fail bots with internet access.
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Posted - 2012.02.12 21:43:00 -
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testobjekt wrote:would you support spending CCP budget on real word desingers to make eve more of a fashion icon game?
No
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Ladie Harlot wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:So I'll be challenging the other candidates to explain what their position in the state of mining is and what priority they would give mining over the term of the CSM 7.
Let see who really is the miners friend!
Issler Certainly not you since you're only pretending to care about mining in a cheap ploy to garner votes. Everybody knows that the only thing you care about is getting more space pants for your toonies. lol, you no longer troll the WiS thread due to Team Avatar posting so now you wanna troll here. Gawd just how fail can you get? I also place my vote for Issler. I don't post in that thread because I got tired of talking to all of Issler's alts instead of real people who think the game needs more space pants.. Also, I'm no longer too worried about CCP wasting any more time on Incarna based on what I heard from the last CSM summit...it sounds like people who still have their jobs at CCP treat Incarna and the NEX store as a joke and don't want anything to do with either of them. Now I'm just here watching Issler jump on any platform she sees people talking about in a cynical attempt to get on the CSM.
Jumping on mining? Yes, I have, I started 6 years ago to prep for this very day!
And my WiS threadnaught was clearly prep for the CSM 7. Do you have parasitic brain worms that make you come up with this stuff? Or simple space madness?
I have never supported the NeX store so get over that, so proof or STFU.
You have no idea what was really said at the summit since you weren't there. Unless you claim to be a mittens alt!
Last response to you by the way, but please keep looking like and idiot and bumping my threads in the process!
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Posted - 2012.02.12 21:53:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:testobjekt wrote:would you support spending CCP budget on real word desingers to make eve more of a fashion icon game? No Issler So now you don't support ambulation? Which is it?
NeX clothing is not ambulation. Your attempt to link the two gets you a 0/10 for troll skills.
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Andrea Griffin wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Miners! When was the last time there was an interesting change in mining? Do you have any ideas at all that might make it more interesting? I understand that you're not running as a game designer (which is good), but can you provide any rough direction on what might be helpful? Issler Dainze wrote:Low sec - a segment of the game that has been ignored forever! When I started I often mined in low sec, now no one mines in low sec because it just isn't worth the risk. Any rough ideas on how to change this? Issler Dainze wrote:Traders - there was a time when a person could make a living running trade. Seems to no longer be the case. Then you're doing it wrong. I am a casual trader and I still manage to pull in 300-500 million in profit every month. The serious traders who put in a lot of time make vastly larger amounts. What about the trading profession makes you believe that it isn't worthwhile? It's nice to say "Oh stuff needs fixed!" but without providing any ideas on HOW you want it fixed we are unable to get an idea of what kind of candidate you are. Kind of like "Hope and Change!" What kind of change, exactly?
I posted some of my ideas in this and other threads recently. I'm not able to find them and re-post them at this moment (on a break at work) but I promise I'll collect them and give a reply to your very reasonable questions this evening!
Thanks,
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Posted - 2012.02.13 20:09:00 -
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Andrea Griffin wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Miners! When was the last time there was an interesting change in mining? Do you have any ideas at all that might make it more interesting? I understand that you're not running as a game designer (which is good), but can you provide any rough direction on what might be helpful? Issler Dainze wrote:Low sec - a segment of the game that has been ignored forever! When I started I often mined in low sec, now no one mines in low sec because it just isn't worth the risk. Any rough ideas on how to change this? Issler Dainze wrote:Traders - there was a time when a person could make a living running trade. Seems to no longer be the case. Then you're doing it wrong. I am a casual trader and I still manage to pull in 300-500 million in profit every month. The serious traders who put in a lot of time make vastly larger amounts. What about the trading profession makes you believe that it isn't worthwhile? It's nice to say "Oh stuff needs fixed!" but without providing any ideas on HOW you want it fixed we are unable to get an idea of what kind of candidate you are. Kind of like "Hope and Change!" What kind of change, exactly?
Here is one post I made that might address some of your questions about my ideas.
Issler mining ideas
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You should see my listed shortly. Had a small question about my passport that I'm resolving now. I'll have everything CCP needs from me to them this evening.
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Jita Alt666 wrote:Why do you have two threads?
That is a great question.
It wasn't clear what CCP expected in terms of how you got your 100 likes. I had stated another thread to announce the name change of the party, but realized that I was "splitting" my likes so I went back to the original thread. A few folks keep posting in the thread I'm trying to abandon.
Sorry for the confusion.
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Posted - 2012.02.15 00:16:00 -
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I see a lot of folks putting "re-elect" in their titles.
Technically I could add that as well as I was a member of CSM2 and CSM3!
Just sayin.....
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Xolve wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:I see a lot of folks putting "re-elect" in their titles.
Technically I could add that as well as I was a member of CSM2 and CSM3!
Just sayin.....
Issler Can you please remind me of anything CSM2 or CSM3 actually accomplished?
The biggest things the CSM 2 did were:
1. Reviewed the POS production scandal and verified in an NDA-ed setting that CCP had no connection to the incident, that the effect of the economy was minimal and that the abusers had been suitably punished. The few of us with software engineering backgrounds got to see the bug in great detail on behalf of the Eve players.
2. We killed the combat simulator.
3. We showed that the CSM could come together and work as a unified group despite politics (CSM 1 had some serious internal politics that had made many say the CSM couldn't work).
4. Continued the pressure that eventually netted us the Orca.
CSM 3 showed CCP takes the NDA and abuse of the inside information given to the CSM seriously. CSM 3 also began the discussions about CSM terms that resulted in the longer terms that make the CSM more effective.
If you want more details it is all there in the Eve Wiki for those with inquiring minds!
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Rek Seven wrote:I was going to vote for two step but i may vote for you instead. However, i'm interested to hear how you would change wormholes...
I'm working on a position on WHs. The TL;DR version is they have been too stagnant since their release, we were promised the constant stream of new content and experience in WHs and what we got was first version then CCP went off to find a new shiny.
I can say I am very opposed to any nerfs there. I was solidly against the crazy ore nerf the CSM 6 seemed to support.
More on them soon!
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Jon Lucien wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:[quote=Xolve][quote=Issler Dainze]I see a lot of folks putting "re-elect" in their titles. 2. We killed the combat simulator.
The combat simulator was possibly the single greatest hope for miners. It allowed them to consider what space combat might be like while still remaining motionless and shooting rocks for mind-numbing hours. By helping to kill the combat simulator you destroyed the wet dreams of miners everywhere. I am now reconsidering whether you deserve the votes of my 23 mining alt accounts.
The most vocal opponent of the combat simulator was the then leader of your rabble, Darius Johnson. So take it up with your alliance leadership.
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Issler Dainze
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900
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Posted - 2012.02.15 22:24:00 -
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Gevlin wrote:combat simulator will really entertain those who are always looking for 1v1
I would like to see more Veldspar out in Null sec... sure the rocks are easy to see, but try and get 1 or 2 cycles out of a rock it is just a waste of time.
It has been a while since I mined in null (syndicate), I should do a sneaky tour out in the void and see how it compares with my memories.
Every miners dream are those large rocks you can chew on forever! Ah, lulled by that sweet laser sound....
Remember, it is the dream of every rock to be made into a shiny ship!
Issler |
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
907
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Posted - 2012.02.16 19:06:00 -
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Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:You should see my listed shortly. Had a small question about my passport that I'm resolving now. I'll have everything CCP needs from me to them this evening.
Issler Thnx for response
All the requested passport related materials have been submitted, I should be on the list of candidates in the next day.
Issler |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
915
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Posted - 2012.02.17 00:45:00 -
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In anticipation of the acceptance of my CSM 7 application I am announcing my first of many in game events to bring the miners of Eve together in solidarity.
The Million Miner March!!!!
We will stage the largest live gathering in Eve in the history of Eve!
Miners unite and show CCP and the Eve population that mining matters!
I'm working on the details so we can make this a peaceful gathering and not some gankfest for suicide inclined evil folk.
Look for details this weekend (also the web site is being set up as we speak!)
Issler |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
935
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Posted - 2012.02.17 19:04:00 -
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Just wanted to point out I am now on the candidate list! Woot!
Thanks for the support so far, now the ball is in my space court! I won't let you down!
Issler |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
935
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Posted - 2012.02.17 19:17:00 -
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Retar Aveymone wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:In anticipation of the acceptance of my CSM 7 application I am announcing my first of many in game events to bring the miners of Eve together in solidarity.
The Million Miner March!!!!
We will stage the largest live gathering in Eve in the history of Eve!
Miners unite and show CCP and the Eve population that mining matters!
I'm working on the details so we can make this a peaceful gathering and not some gankfest for suicide inclined evil folk.
Look for details this weekend (also the web site is being set up as we speak!)
Issler if you actually stage this i may vote for you in gratitude thanks buddy
It will happen but I don't think in a way that will make you that happy. But your vote would be very nice!
Issler |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
937
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Posted - 2012.02.17 21:00:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Just wanted to point out I am now on the candidate list! Woot!
Thanks for the support so far, now the ball is in my space court! I won't let you down!
Issler Michele? Are you Italian? A girl? Or just your parents had a sense of humor?
A girl with parents with odd spelling sensibilities (and a sense of humor! )
Issler (Michele)
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
944
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Posted - 2012.02.20 23:12:00 -
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Gloomy Gus wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:happy /me sighs sadly
My latest CSM 7 election victory! :-)
Seriously! Don't worry! Be happy!
Issler |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
946
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Posted - 2012.02.21 23:11:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:Thankyou for providing your thoughts in the linked thread above.
Thanks for pointing it out and giving me the opportunity!
Issler |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
953
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Posted - 2012.02.22 19:42:00 -
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First in game live campaign event will this Sunday.
I will be asking anyone that supports CCP putting some resources into improving the mining experience to show up in Rens in an NPC corp alt and noob ship to make suicide ganking pointless and gather in numbers to show CCP we miners matter!
There will be a number of these events including flash mining mobs and the final even at the end of the election cycle will be a mass demonstration in Jita.
Also I will be contacting folks that expressed interest in joining the advisory council directly later this week. If you are interested in an adviser role don't hesitate to contact me directly if you haven't heard from me by Saturday.
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
968
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Posted - 2012.02.23 18:44:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:I know you are running on a highsec platform, and it may have been covered in one of the many posts in this thread I am not bothering to read(because I don't want to read page after page of highsec issues I am not too concerned about) but where will you stand on the various nullsec issues?
If you already answered this, a link to the post you answered in would be great.
So a quick summary of what I consider to be the major issues in null. If there is something specific, please feel free to ask.
1. Supercaps are way busted and I'm not sure recent changes makes the problem any better. In particular the idea that once you commit to piloting one you are basically trapped like a rat in it forever. I support docking them in destroy-able structures.
2. CCP tried to improve the SOV mechanisms and seems to have made them eve worse.
3. Null should have all the resources you need to live there. The fact we have folks still needing to chase down resources from highsec is broken.
4. The Technetium moon is not working as intended. These don't create a constant churn in ownership and conflict drivers. They are isk printing machines for a few big alliances.
5. I would like CCP finally get some sort of treaty system in place to make leasing a system a much more predicable experience.
Those are the "off the top of my head" answers.
Thanks for asking,
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
978
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Posted - 2012.02.24 07:46:00 -
[80] - Quote
Folks that want to talk about making mining better in game please join the in game channel:
"Mining Miners"
CCP, show the miners the love!
Issler Danze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate |
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
981
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Posted - 2012.02.24 19:09:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Ka P'lah wrote:Nope, sorry...Issler is not just "a WiS candidate". Yeah she's the WiS candidate because it's the only issue she's really been passionate about. Everything else I've seen from her has been pandering.
It's Lady Marmot again!
Right, I have expressed my total disinterest in mining by running a mining corporation for the last 5: years.
Just ask any of my corp members about how I buy all the ore that they get in the mining operations we organize just to get it out of my sight! And all the mining medals we have created to confirm my lack of support for mining.
Oh, and how I invented a PvP game based on mining called Bantam Ball!
Please look for the Bantam Ball Link on this page as the forums won't parse it
Could you at least TRY to be more clever in your trolling, I know you can do better!
Issler |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
987
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Posted - 2012.02.25 02:50:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Could you at least TRY to be more clever in your trolling, I know you can do better!
Issler Based on your increasingly shrill responses it looks like I'm doing just fine.
For once you are doing something useful, bumping my CSM thread and offering more opportunities to show my mining cred.
Issler |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
988
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Posted - 2012.02.25 07:11:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Could you at least TRY to be more clever in your trolling, I know you can do better!
Issler Based on your increasingly shrill responses it looks like I'm doing just fine. For once you are doing something useful, bumping my CSM thread and offering more opportunities to show my mining cred. Issler I'm more than happy to bump your thread. I want to see it on page one at all times so you think you have a chance of getting on the CSM. I also want to remind people that you are the space pants candidate no matter how much you try and deny it.
Lady Marmot's inner voice is just a loop of this over and over again.
Issler
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
997
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Posted - 2012.02.26 21:14:00 -
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We held the first gathering today. We started small because I think a lot of folks doubted we would do this. We spread the word across a number of systems and ended helping a fellow miner complete a mining mission.
Join us! Miners Unite!
The next gathering will be announced in the next couple of days!
Issler |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1000
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Posted - 2012.02.27 19:28:00 -
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Still waiting for another CSM candidate to take up my challenge in my "What will you do for miners" thread in Jita Park.
And the activity in the mining miners channels is picking up. If you want mining improved please join the channel and get active sharing your support for mining!
Thanks for the support so far! And as of this moment I know have exactly 1000 personal likes!!!
/me does the likes dance
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1009
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Posted - 2012.02.28 20:31:00 -
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So again I am challenging the other CSM 7 candidates to reply in my debate threads. Mining and ambulation. So far only on candidate has taken up the challenge. Thanks to Alekseyev Karrde for stating a position on ambulation.
So voters, if you mine or care about ambulation (one way or the other) demand the other candidates come clean about what you can expect from them!
Issler Dainze The Miiner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1010
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Posted - 2012.02.28 23:08:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:Shame you didn't make it to the podcast debate. It might of improved your chances.
I made every effort and restructured my entire Sunday to participate but for some reason the moderators couldn't see me in Skype. I hope there will be other debates that I can participate in.
Issler |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1017
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Posted - 2012.02.29 18:46:00 -
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Skippermonkey wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Skippermonkey taught me how to run missions using just defender missiles and a cargo scanner. If i wasnt running for CSM i'd vote for him!
I'm pretty sure I never said that but Skippermonkey, the CSM would be a lot more interesting if you are elected, as to if that's in a good way we'll have to let the voters decide!
Skippermonkey, I hope you'll post in my ambulation and mining debate threads!
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate A Skippermonkey Fan |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1018
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Posted - 2012.02.29 23:46:00 -
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Revolution Rising wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:
The currentl CSM seemed however to want a stake dirven through the heart of ambulation, somehow trying to make the argument that it can't be worked on in any way without destroying FiS. Of course most of these same folks would like CCP working on all manner of nul sec mechanics and features that 80% of the Eve player base couldn't care less about while ignoring most FiS content those 80% would love to see.
Issler Dainze Voice of Reason Party CSM 7 Candidate.
This. Not that I care about ambulation in the least, but FiS is a fine platform to form on as long as it's Mittani's FiS. I'm actually wondering about this. If Trebor and Seleene and Two Step have been on CSM some of them for YEARS. How is it that these more serious issues to do with Industry and FiS that people have complained about it for those same years (including the last CSM).... are still not being addressed. Instead we get nerfs to drakes, t3 bc's (useless for missions or low-sec where the gate guns are - 0.0 once again), nerfs to empire POS fuel prices - meaning more profit for t2 bpo holders. Another zero effort to industry expansion.
It seems clear that we haven't seen a CSM member in some time that really pushed for content for industrialist and miners.
I hope to have the chance to change that!
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1025
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Posted - 2012.03.01 16:46:00 -
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Vile rat wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:So again I am challenging the other CSM 7 candidates to reply in my debate threads. Mining and ambulation. So far only on candidate has taken up the challenge. Thanks to Alekseyev Karrde for stating a position on ambulation.
So voters, if you mine or care about ambulation (one way or the other) demand the other candidates come clean about what you can expect from them!
Issler Dainze The Miiner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
I'm not a CSM 7 candidate but I've responded in your debate thread with what I think is a salient point.
Thanks! A rational dialog is all I can ask.
Issler |
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1031
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Posted - 2012.03.02 19:09:00 -
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Aquila Draco wrote:In the light of new dev blog, I want to ask you your opinion on botting, botts and anty-botting techniques that CCP is applying (or not applying). Do you think this is sufficient or there needs to me more anty-botting measures?
They need to add some technology barriers to their efforts, They can change the UI to make scraping harder and modifiy the client internals to again, increase the difficulty in creating bots. They can also regularly change these things on a regular basis to break any bots that circumvent the anti-botting measures. This alone isn't enough but it will thwart the less sophisticated bots and that is a start.
Issler |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1031
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Posted - 2012.03.02 21:14:00 -
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Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:The change in the CSM elections and the Iceland face to face meeting attendance make it even more important that the Eve general population get involved in the upcoming elections. To that end I am anouncing I will be running and organizing the "Rational Party of Eve". Let me explain my plans and ask for your support.
The "Rational Party of Eve" intends to represent the following segments of the Eve population. Consider these the "planks" of the party.
Miners Industrialists Traders Small Corps Independent players High Sec PvE Casual Players Ambulation
Basically folk that often are discarded as "carebears" but make up a huge portion of the Eve population. A group that has not had representaion for a long time in the CSM.
So "Issler", you say, there may be many folks that would want to help support those players. I would say "yes, I hope there are!"
We will organize and debate in the public spaces of Eve to refine our ideas to present to CCP when we win a seat on CSM 7!
So "bears", will you join me in creating a council and coming up with the best ideas to improve mining and life in high sec for the players that focus on PvE and industry? One thing to remember, I am not running to be a surrogate game designer, I am running to represent the players and what they want from CCP. Your ideas will be the focus on my efforts in the CSM 7!
I will be putting considerable energy in getting our party elected and lets find the best council and create the ideas the will motivate CCP to finally put some attention on areas long neglected in our 'verse!
Together we cannot be defeated!!
Issler Dainze CSM 7 candidate Member of the Rational Party of Eve I hope that you never get elected to anything and that this boring game continues to be a mining simulator attached to an excel spreadsheet.
Thanks for the bump. I feel a lot of love in your post!
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1031
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Posted - 2012.03.02 21:38:00 -
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Franklin D Roosevelt wrote: Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
Thanks for signing your post otherwise I wouldn't know which publord was saying inconsequential stuff.[/quote]
Keep it up, lets make sure my campaign thread is always at the top!
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate Signed at the request of FDR |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1036
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Posted - 2012.03.04 17:59:00 -
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Dez Affinity wrote:As CCP have chosen not to act on this obvious infringment of copyright. I will be contacting Honda Motor Company, Ltd. and see what they make of this misrepresentation of the Honda and Honda Accord brand. In particular it's connection to a Spaceship Political Candidate who is running under the banner of the Honda Accord brand.
Enjoy your lawsuit.
Let me know how it goes since it has been in Eve for over 4 years.
Issler |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1036
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Posted - 2012.03.04 18:01:00 -
[95] - Quote
Dez Affinity wrote:As CCP have chosen not to act on this obvious infringment of copyright. I will be contacting Honda Motor Company, Ltd. and see what they make of this misrepresentation of the Honda and Honda Accord brand. In particular it's connection to a Spaceship Political Candidate who is running under the banner of the Honda Accord brand.
Enjoy your lawsuit.
I grew up in the west and I used it in this context...
hon-+daGÇé GÇé[hon-duh] noun an eye at one end of a lariat through which the other end is passed to form a lasso, noose, etc.
Issler |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1045
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Posted - 2012.03.05 20:36:00 -
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Taiwanistan wrote:what do you say issler? Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Hai Boiz wrote:People like to chit chat.
They do it at home. They do it at work. And they do it in eve-o. People have been chatting in this thread alone for months and months and 170 pages.
Some like to chat while flying in space. Some like to chat while spinning their ship. I'd like to sit across from someone in a station and chat. Why would a ship spinner want to deny me that little pleasure? Let me have a guest over for a nice quaffe and a little quality conversation.
XX As I've pointed out several times, social gameplay is the mother of emergent gameplay. It needs a minimal investment in infrastructure and can keep players amused like forever. Just hand out some tools and allow people use them. Organized gameplay is cool to have, NPC interaction is cool, but from a cost/profit POV there is nothing as effective as just let people interact through avatars. Throw in some "hologram" technology so they're not forced to be aboard the same station and ther you go. Now add some advantages to physically being there (I already suggested stuff like kissing, caressing, punching, slapping... or dancing, if CCP were up to a tough ball; i've been iterating on the dance concept and I am figuring ways so two players can syncronize their moves within EVE's 1 second server frames... I don't mean "hit dance emote, do silly moves", rather "press the right keys at the right time so the server is fed the right "combos" from both sides at the right time and plays the right animation... in my limited knowledge, nobody ever tried that online...) Err, to the point, there are lots of things that can be done as tools for friendly social interaction. If someone wants avatar PvP, they may have it, as long as it is not shoved down the throat of every player. Stations are griefing free zones and should stay like that. The worst that can happen in a station is being scammed and that must stay like that.
Is there a question in there?
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1045
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Posted - 2012.03.05 21:19:00 -
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Johnny Marzetti wrote:Johnny Marzetti wrote:With WiS (and Walking in Ships While They're in Stations), would I be able to undock with someone else in my ship? Like, have passengers that aren't exotic dancers or homeless people? As in, actual players? This has interesting gameplay implications, since I could then in theory fly someone with -10 sec into hisec in any ship. I never did get an answer to this. I think it's a fair question.
I think passengers in ships is an interesting idea.
Issler |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1050
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Posted - 2012.03.06 19:25:00 -
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Johnny Marzetti wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Johnny Marzetti wrote:Johnny Marzetti wrote:With WiS (and Walking in Ships While They're in Stations), would I be able to undock with someone else in my ship? Like, have passengers that aren't exotic dancers or homeless people? As in, actual players? This has interesting gameplay implications, since I could then in theory fly someone with -10 sec into hisec in any ship. I never did get an answer to this. I think it's a fair question. I think passengers in ships is an interesting idea. Issler So someone tries to take you seriously and engage you as a candidate on this issue, and this is all you have to offer? This is what you'll say to CCP when you're on the CSM and they say, "Hey, we think it might be cool if you could smuggle players around as passengers in ships, what do you think?" Because, as you know, that's what your role will be, and as the primary (and probably only) advocate of WiS, you're the one the CSM would likely turn to for this issue. And what will you give them? That you think it's an interesting idea? Personally, I don't really care about walking in stations or passengers in ships or riverini's panty dropper button, but I do think that if something is proposed that would alter gameplay significantly (like bypassing security/standings would), a CSM member should be able to formulate an opinion on it or at least run through what some of the implications might be.
I have stated repeatedly is is not my role as a member of the CSM to be the "good idea" fairy. I am looking to work with the player base to filter and refine what to bring to CCP. I like the idea that you suggested and would definitely include it and invite as well in the conversation related to the future of ambulation. I'm sorry I didn't provide an answer down to the color of the doors and the shape of the portals. I gave you a general answer because I liked your idea and I didn't think this is the time or place, or even the correct audience to "design" this feature.
If you want a feature design discussion I'd suggest the WiS thread I started referenced recently in the dev blog about Team Avatar.
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1050
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Posted - 2012.03.06 21:30:00 -
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Johnny Marzetti wrote:Actually this was all just meant to lead to a punch line along the lines of "an in-game way for me to give someone a ride on my rocket" but I'm too bored to continue with this farce.
I will try and be more interesting in the future.
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
(keep working on that rocket ride.... I'm sure you will find someone in Eve that would take you up on that! ) |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1054
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Posted - 2012.03.07 08:26:00 -
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Taiwanistan wrote:yet issler is openly against the slow-burn state of wis development. she wants to squander more resources on wis, that is not acceptable to many players.
Your incorrect interpretation of my position.
I believe ambulation has the potential to grow Eve more than any other element in Eve. If you want to know what I really think about ambulation and find the largest thread in the new forums, sit down and read the nearly 200 pages and you will find many posts on where I think ambulation fits in the future of Eve, while you are reading that notice how many other players agree with me.
So thanks for the random goon snipe/bump.
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate |
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1058
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Posted - 2012.03.07 19:42:00 -
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Johnny Marzetti wrote:Please don't throw me into the briar patch.
I would never do that!
Issler |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1058
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Posted - 2012.03.07 19:55:00 -
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Taiwanistan wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:yet issler is openly against the slow-burn state of wis development. she wants to squander more resources on wis, that is not acceptable to many players. Your incorrect interpretation of my position. I believe ambulation has the potential to grow Eve more than any other element in Eve. If you want to know what I really think about ambulation and find the largest thread in the new forums, sit down and read the nearly 200 pages and you will find many posts on where I think ambulation fits in the future of Eve, while you are reading that notice how many other players agree with me. So thanks for the random goon snipe/bump. Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate your reply misses the point completely. why are you repeating to me that you are the biggest wis supporter out there. in that 170 page thread, there are about as many against wis as there are for wis. also take a look at this thread https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=35996&p=14 this thread is less biased as the the subject is not "hey if you love wis come post here." that thread reflects more on what players generally want right now to make their eve gaming more enjoyable. yes you see some support for wis but for many other players wis is not even mentioned. -wis is now on slow-burn: do you agree with this? yes or no -team avatar is comprised of 5 dev staff members: you feel that more is needed? yes or no - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpcSGcqHtmcthis is the official word from the CCP t0rfi the Art Director of Eve Online, listen to it, it outlines the direction of EVE as of now. if elected will you be working to shift full prioritization away from FIS? yes or no -in the big 170 page thread you responded to the first announcement of Team Avatar with disappointment. and stated that it is your wish to have something out sooner rather than later, something like a corp meeting room, player ran establishments, even though it does not necessarily have meaning gameplay? yes or no also i wonder why you seem to not be all "out and proud" with wis, not as you are with mining.
I am one of many supporters of ambulation.
I support enough attention on ambulation to have some sort of multi avatar per instance experience by the summer of 2013. I think that is more than slow burn.
The size of team avatar given the are also responsible for supporting what we have already is to small to get to the goal I just stated. So yes, the announcement for me was disappointing.
Mining is more important to me right now than ambulation and I think we can get more traction with CCP for mining improvements. To say I'm not talking "out and proud" about ambulation is beyond wrong. I talk about it as much as anyone in Eve.
I would like to see smaller incremental deliveries ambulation if it means we see something sooner rather than later. Many folks seem to agree.
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate (the only one that supports giving Team Avatar more resources!)
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1058
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Posted - 2012.03.07 20:01:00 -
[103] - Quote
There was an issue with parsing this post's BBCode |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1058
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Posted - 2012.03.07 20:02:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:sit down and read the nearly 200 pages and you will find many posts on where I think ambulation fits in the future of Eve, while you are reading that notice how many other players agree with me.
So thanks for the random goon snipe/bump.
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate .......Lot's more Laddy Marmot gibberish.........
I have great respect for the developers at CCP. If you actually paid any attention my issue is with what I view as a team with divided focus and starved for the necessary resources to succeed. This is an issue with management decisions, not the developers.
Did you ever finish counting the pro and con posts in the WiS thread? Did you tally by poster? Is it really true you posted 97.3% of the anti-WiS theads and that every one of your posts contained a reference to "pants" or "space barbies"?
You can make any ridiculous claims you want, but no one actually believes you. But the thread bumps are nice, keep it up.
Issler Dainze A Fan of the Developers of Eve! |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1062
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Posted - 2012.03.07 23:45:00 -
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Thanks everyone for the high level of support!
This could be an election that is full of surprises if your level of support so far continues! Spread the word!
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Johnny Marzetti wrote:Frying Doom wrote: TBH I really don't hate the goons, I just believe that CCP is a business. They are here to make money. So if you have a minority no matter what percentage in control of the CSM, they can and frankly for the sake of EVE as a whole should be ignored. So my dislike of Goons is based on the fact I really like EVE and to get the numbers growing again after CCP's lovely actions of the past 12 months (even without the Non-Hisec CSM) it really requires most of CCP's resources to be devoted to the majority eg. Hi-sec and Newbie players to save the game (and subsequently with higher profits keeping CCP focused on EVE not other games or spin offs)
So I suppose what I'm saying is DON'T VOTE Non-Hi-sec if you want to be playing this game in a few years time.
I genuinely share your concerns about newbie players (I'm still a newbie, or a returning bittern00b, I guess) but I think you are misdirecting those concerns. Alliances like Goonswarm and TEST are extremely newbie friendly, since they actively recruit players from outside the game, and do so with the long term view that retaining those rifter pilots now means that many more battleship and dreadnought pilots later. Our directors take an active interest in the new player experience because they have to, unlike leaders of alliances with high skillpoint minimums who are just plucking the fruit grown from the labor of many struggling small alliances that do take in new players, only to lose them to ~elite pvp~ alliances in null Once upon a time, as an experiment, I started out a fresh character and tried to make my way through the new player experience without just setting my home to VFK and podding myself. You know what I found? Eve sucks if you're a new player without an alliance welcoming you and helping you out. I really don't know what makes people want to play it because it is lonely and boring and downright tedious. Sure, you can join things like Eve University but you have to know about them. You can find a corp on the recruitment channel but have you ever sat and read that channel? It's awful, all the people on it are terrible, the corp ads read like they were written by the same people who scribble out of order notes on vending machines, and most of them have SP limits and/or don't accept people on trial accounts. Not a favorable first impression for new players Also, my ship looked like a dentist's chair. My next ship looked like some other kind of chair. Then there was the one that looked like a big metal nose, and finally I got into a giant flying mailbox. Yay Caldari, I guess Guess which CSM pushed for rookie ship redesign? The one chaired by ~my ceo~. Goons aren't ruining this game. A lot of people will say so, but they're either uninformed or they're trying to dodge the fact that it is they who are ruining this game and ruining it badly. The worst things for Eve are ~elite pvp~ alliances and empire isk farming carebears. One tells new players they can have fun when they're all grown up and can fly a titan, and the other tells new players they can have fun when they have enough money (which is never, because you always need more for the next "fun" thing). And I just realized I typed all this up in Issler's thread which means it was a waste of time but what the hell, here it is anyhow.
You are one of the more reasoned goons. Thanks for keeping the conversation more informed and civil than some of the other bees.
And to say its a waste, last time I checked I think I have several of the most active threads in the forums these days!
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I just want to again help everyone for the support and also point out I get some of the most diverse and interesting folks in my threads!!
Thanks all!
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Again I want to thank you for your support, but I find myself having to ask more of you.
Getting folk in game that ignore the forums to vote is key to me having any chance of success. I need you all to help spread the word in game. Some other candidates have seen the momentum of the miner and are trying to jump in late and claim to be the miner's candidate as well.
They see the power the miner's really hold!
So please tell your corp mates, your alliances and your friends to support the miner's candidate! Please ask them to lend their support to my efforts to make sure miners are no longer neglected sub caste of Eve!
So please help spread the word throughout the 'verse that there is a miner that needs their help to get us a seat at the table! A long overdue and earned seat!
Miners Unite!
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Frying Doom wrote:Sorry Issler Im feeling extremely lazy today:) Whats the direct link to vote for you like the ones I see on almost every other candidates page.
Frying Doom
This is supposed to be it.
Issler Dainze CSM 7
Please double check since I've voted and it doesn't seem to let me confirm.
Thanks!
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Frying Doom wrote:Ka P'lah wrote:Snow Axe wrote:Honestly, the idea of assigned mentors is a good one, though rewards become an issue. That said, I doubt you'd even need to reward them with anything concrete - maybe an in-game and in-forum tag, similar to the DEV and CSM tags you see on people now. This may sound presumptuous, but remember we're posting in a forum where people are literally trying to get elected to help the game for free, so I don't think it's much of a stretch that enough people would be willing to help out just for a vanity tag or w/e.
Good idea, I think you actually may be on to something there *clunk* (that was me passing out from surprise ) Personally, I find it hard to imagine any circumstance where bot-mining would be good for the game. Destroy botting! Maybe it can't be realistically totally prevented, but it certainly could be reduced a lot. ...Making mining much more dynamic would not only get more humans to mine, but would make writing scripts for bots harder, hmm? Personally after spending litterally hundreds if not thousands of hours mining I would like to see botters computers explode. The worst thing is that after all these years and a special team to stop botting it just isn't putting a dent in it. I just find it very frustrating that some piece of scum is botting and gaining an unfair advantage. In the recent ice attacks by the goons they noted alot of bots ice mining. The current attempts to spot this are not effective enough and something needs to be done. On a happier note I think the ideas for helping the newbies are really on the right track, I'm not sure if a simple tag would be enough but yes I definitely believe we are on the right track here. I must say thanks to Issler for letting us highjack his post:) Frying Doom
"Her" post, remember I am the only female candidate this election!
And happy to have great conversations in any thread I'm part of!
I'm a little suspicious of the goons claims of the number of bots vs other miners, but I agree botting must stop! And CCP needs to start changing its tactics because the current approach is like bailing out the Titanic with a thimble.
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Frying Doom wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:"Her" post, remember I am the only female candidate this election! Issler Sorry someone already said this but it's just habit as only 5% or so of the EVE population is Female. The number of people who play female however is a lot higher so over the years I have got in the habit of saying he, that way I'm more likely to be right:)
No worries! Just gave me a chance to point it out again......
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Again, thanks for all the support I've gotten!
The impressive increase in voting levels makes me think that at least some of the "long shot" candidates are going to surprise the CSM 6 legacy!
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SerratedX wrote:Ka P'lah wrote: I don't know why we wouldn't want her on our player advisory council to CCP...
Maybe because she doesn't have a clue about nullsec or pvp in general. Why would I vote for Issler when I could vote for Elise for example who has a much broader base of experience. He is an FC, CEO, has an alt industrial corp, has a titan alt. What could Issler contribute to a discussion about: Supercap balancing Moongoo rebalancing Nullsec sov improvements Lowsec improvements Faction Warfare The answer is nothing. There are numerous other people running who have experience (even perhaps more than Issler) in industry, which is Isslers niche platform.
Lived in Syndicate for a year. Three months in the drone region.
Was in the alliance tourney twice. Finished the first time in the upper 3rd.
I run multiple moon POSs to support our very profitable T2 ship production.
Owned a tech moon for a year in Tasti.
I live in low sec and have for 80% of my time in Eve.
Spent hours in CSM 2 discussing ways to fix null sov (they did nothing we suggested).
Set up an alt corp for FW when it first came out. Ended up finding it not my thing.
Supercaps, never had one, so all I can offer is observations.
I am not just a miner, I've spent 8 years in Eve and have done most all there is at one time or another.
So thanks for giving me a time to remind everyone I am one of the most rounded and experienced candidates in the race!
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SerratedX wrote:Frying Doom wrote: Yes because after a year of Null sec and PvP improvements to the game with bugger all else besides and even the next patch being mostly to do with PVP, we really need more of that.
This is just not true. The dozens of fixes and features that CSM6 successfully pushed for have a ton on of things that make all eve players happier. Client optimization, POS fixes, new nebulae, engine trails, POCOs, anom balancing and the new neocom are just some examples.
Hmm, lets look at that list.
Client optimization would have certainly happened without CSM 6.
There have been only small POS fixes and to claim that EVERY CSM since #1 hasn't been pusing for POS fixes is crazy talk.
I've and many others have been shouting to CCP about fixing the sky boxes for years, so not the CSM 6.
Engine trails were already promised to be coming back, not the CSM 6.
POCOs are here because of DUST, not the CSM 6.
Balancing and neocom improvements have also been discussed by every CSM and the player base at large, not the CSM 6.
So, in summary, nothing there we can credit the CSM 6 with.
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Miner's Unite!
We are going to make our voice heard in this election!
Thanks to everyone that has pledged their vote, we can show the power blocks the power of thousands of mining laser pointed in the same direction!
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More goon bumps!!
Woot!
Miners Unite! Don't let some random goon claim you can't decide to better Eve for miners!
Vote your mind! Vote for your interests! Vote for the miner's Friend!
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Doctor Eezee wrote:A question for Issler: What do you think about certain supporters of yours spamming this forum with useless threads?
Eve is a sandbox so anything goes I suppose! And this one person spamming is different from my regular goon hangabout trollers how?
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Vordak Kallager wrote:Weaselior wrote:no do not listen to his lies
you know the fierce, strong, goon-threatening candidates by the fact we troll them relentlessly and try to keep them the subject of discussion GOONS DON'T AFRAID OF ANYTHING.
DONT AFRAID EXCEPT THE MITTENS!! THEY AFRAID OF MITTENS AND HIS DIRE WOLF MUCH!!!!
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Sidus Sarmiang wrote:I'm mostly amused by the fact that portraying yourself as the anti-goon candidate by sending idiots to rouse us into trolling you is a valid campaign strategy now.
Also, Issler, would you care to clarify your relationship with the Black Thorne people?
Are they official spokesmen for you or are they just misguided idiots trying to look good to a girl on the internet? Because either option is pretty funny.
No direct relationship. Just some folk that want to support my efforts.
To be clear, I am not anti-goon, I was one for a while, I am just not keen on them running the CSM.
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Bernie Nator wrote:So you're young to unite all those people but leave wormhole alliances out of it? So Much for that balance you proposed.
Why would I ignore WH residents?
I was very against the crazy idea the last CSM had to nerf ABC in WHs!
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Sidus Sarmiang wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Sidus Sarmiang wrote:I'm mostly amused by the fact that portraying yourself as the anti-goon candidate by sending idiots to rouse us into trolling you is a valid campaign strategy now.
Also, Issler, would you care to clarify your relationship with the Black Thorne people?
Are they official spokesmen for you or are they just misguided idiots trying to look good to a girl on the internet? Because either option is pretty funny. No direct relationship. Just some folk that want to support my efforts. To be clear, I am not anti-goon, I was one for a while, I am just not keen on them running the CSM. Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate Supporting your efforts is one thing, what they're doing is more like the creepy obsessive way that an aspergers sufferer tries to get a girlfriend. "If I buy her this 300 dollar ring, stalk her around, and invite her to see my anime collection surely she'll like me even if she doesn't know my name right now!"
Isn't that exactly what I've put up with from several goons since late summer last year when I started my pro-ambulation thread in the general discussions? I don't support it be the Eve forums seem to have a lot of that going on.
I mean I half way expect Lady Marmot to jump out with pot containing a boiling rabbit in pants some day while I'm walking to my car.
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Karadion wrote:
he hated going to Iceland to do a pitiful job
I just wanted to emphasize this. The CSM trip to Iceland is not a vacation!
I really considered not running because the trips are mostly an unfun, expensive time sink for most of us.
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So I would be glad to respond to any real question or comment from goons, some have actually asked reasonable questions and I have been glad to respond.
I'm not going to waste my time responding to the goon scripted barbie/pant trolls.
As for interviews, I've tried to repeatedly participate but have been ignored by all the podcast except one that was made impossible by some technical issue. I am not alone in the CSM candidates in not being part of the "cool kids" that got interviews.
In the once case where there was a serious attempt to have an ambulation debate no CSM 6 members would even participate.
So sure, I would have been glad to be part of the debates when it mattered. Folks that really have cared about my views have contacted me directly and I've been happy to engage them.
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Taiwanistan wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Who knows she may have changed her mind like The Mittani. If this is still the case I will admit I must disagree with Issler on this point Wis needs to be released properly or we will just have more crap like the CQ was in the first place. She might have meant if they were to release bits at a time on a test server so we could comment that would be nice. Just not dumped piecemeal on tranquility. Either way I think Issler should be applauded for starting the thread asking CCP about its plans and for all the responses on the thread. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=244597#post244597And I must applaud you for going through that Threadnaught. do you applaud her quick and dirty approach to wis development? and no she has not changed her mind about telling team avatar to "don't over-think it" calling people who actually want proper gameplay trolls, heh.
Can you direct me to a single post where I called someone that shared a real idea about WiS that I called a troll?
I expect not.
More anti-ambulation babble misrepresenting what I've consistently said all along. A balanced approach to ambulation that gets is some content sooner rather than later.
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Taiwanistan wrote:
emmersiveness heh just say it, quick and dirty emote party is all you want, your limited worthless nearsighted vision of wis, don't be pointing to all them F&I rejects crap ideas like you've done your homework and should get a C+ for effort bitter vets quit, barbie bitter vets also quit, eve is dying same **** different day
Ambulation supporters make this pledge! Ignore any post that the poster has included the term pants or barbie!
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Ben Arwhal wrote:Issler, FryerDoom, I want to make my inaugural post in this highly contentious thread because I want to make something clear:
I didn't vote for Issler. Not because she's a woman, nor because she promotes miners, industrials and the like.
You didn't receive my vote because of your position on WiS.
I don't mean to sound overly-critical, and I don't mean to sound rude, but I personally feel zero interest in WiS myself. Meanwhile, you campaign heavily in support of it.
My lack of vote is based on a difference of opinion. I hope I'm not a bigot, idiot or mindless drone because of it.
And Fryer, painting anyone who disagrees with you as some malevolent evil against which you're locked in a Holy Crusade is a really easy way to alienate supporters.
My pro ambulation posts predated my campaign which was almost completely focused on mining, You confuse the two.
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Tarsus Zateki wrote:While I wish you the best of luck on your platform how are you planning to actually engage the people you consider your constituents? The majority of "carebears" in Eve Online don't actually play Eve Online. They go out of their way to find ways to minimize the time they spend in the client while their wallets blink. Most of these folks don't even know the CSM even exists let alone what issues there are.
How have I rated so much goon attention!?
I'm just a miner that had some friends, that loved Eve, and we mine. A lot!
We created a corp, then an alliance on the crazy concept of never being bump optimal. Bum optimal is anything better for the leaders than the members. Kind of sounds like a very prominent alliance in Eve. Is it better to the mittens than a bee? Yes I bet.!
So I want Eve to be better! Starting with the miners! My Sci Fi movie model is Firefly! We are the mudders!! And I toast you all with a mudders milk!!
Miners Unite!
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So there still is time to spread the word! For the miners of Eve to get a voice in the CSM they need to spread the word out in the 'verse! Miners mine out in space, in the belts, not in the forums!
So tell a friend to vote, get that friend to tell another friend. They say we can't come together when we need to, I say we can!
Miners Unite!
Miners Rock!
Miners can Rock the Vote!
Miners can be part of the CSM 7!
Vote Today!
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Barnabas O'Malley wrote:This CSM convinced CCP to address the massive botting in the drone regions which has crashed mineral prices. They've done a very good job representing miner interests. I explained this to you in direct answer to your question in this thread. So I'll say it again. I was a highsec hulk pilot a few years ago because it was a way to make descent isk/hour while doing other RL stuff. The market crashed so hard because of botting that it stopped being viable even in an afk capacity. This CSM understood that and acted. I'm a member of the demographic you keep addressing with talking points like "miners unite" and I'm telling you that it in no way represents us or our interests. I support Mittens and a lot of the other block candidates because they really do understand highsec industry better than you. You went back to the same meaningless rhetoric after literally posting a thread a few days ago asking for reasons why non-block voters back block candidates. You were answered by myself and others. Furthermore, a lot of the goons were actually asking you questions and giving you feedback which could have strengthened your campaign. Some of the most gentle trolling I've ever seen the goons do was in this thread. Enough with these talking points and haughty anti-nullsec sentiment.
A hulk owner that supports the folks that like to explode his hulk for giggles that says I don't understand high sec miners.
Mining is more than isks/hour. It can be made much better in terms of fun per hour. No one in the CSM 6 did anything to expand the mining experience. And to claim that CSM 6 somehow get more interest on the part of CCP to counter botting is simply insane.
NO high sec miner can really support Mittens unless they like the experience of being in their barges while the are exploded by griefers.
I am not anti-null, I am anti-null exclusive focus, all of Eve needs to have balanced attention from CCP. That hasn't been the case for some time.
But thanks for posting, I enjoy the goon and goon alt bumps.
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Vordak Kallager wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Barnabas O'Malley wrote:This CSM convinced CCP to address the massive botting in the drone regions which has crashed mineral prices. They've done a very good job representing miner interests. I explained this to you in direct answer to your question in this thread. So I'll say it again. I was a highsec hulk pilot a few years ago because it was a way to make descent isk/hour while doing other RL stuff. The market crashed so hard because of botting that it stopped being viable even in an afk capacity. This CSM understood that and acted. I'm a member of the demographic you keep addressing with talking points like "miners unite" and I'm telling you that it in no way represents us or our interests. I support Mittens and a lot of the other block candidates because they really do understand highsec industry better than you. You went back to the same meaningless rhetoric after literally posting a thread a few days ago asking for reasons why non-block voters back block candidates. You were answered by myself and others. Furthermore, a lot of the goons were actually asking you questions and giving you feedback which could have strengthened your campaign. Some of the most gentle trolling I've ever seen the goons do was in this thread. Enough with these talking points and haughty anti-nullsec sentiment. A hulk owner that supports the folks that like to explode his hulk for giggles that says I don't understand high sec miners. Mining is more than isks/hour. It can be made much better in terms of fun per hour. No one in the CSM 6 did anything to expand the mining experience. And to claim that CSM 6 somehow get more interest on the part of CCP to counter botting is simply insane. NO high sec miner can really support Mittens unless they like the experience of being in their barges while the are exploded by griefers. I am not anti-null, I am anti-null exclusive focus, all of Eve needs to have balanced attention from CCP. That hasn't been the case for some time. But thanks for posting, I enjoy the goon and goon alt bumps. Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate tl;dr - ignore opinion of demographic I'm trying to get support from, make broad assumptions that people think the same way I do and if they don't they are dumb, call fellow miner a goon alt. I don't know why Goons bother to troll you when you wreck your campaign yourself! (Oh right, because it is hilarious.)
My demographic is not represented by the quoted poster, that is my point. My demographic most definitely are not supporters of the folks that enjoy ganking them while they mine in their barges.
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Vordak Kallager wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Barnabas O'Malley wrote:This CSM convinced CCP to address the massive botting in the drone regions which has crashed mineral prices. They've done a very good job representing miner interests. I explained this to you in direct answer to your question in this thread. So I'll say it again. I was a highsec hulk pilot a few years ago because it was a way to make descent isk/hour while doing other RL stuff. The market crashed so hard because of botting that it stopped being viable even in an afk capacity. This CSM understood that and acted. I'm a member of the demographic you keep addressing with talking points like "miners unite" and I'm telling you that it in no way represents us or our interests. I support Mittens and a lot of the other block candidates because they really do understand highsec industry better than you. You went back to the same meaningless rhetoric after literally posting a thread a few days ago asking for reasons why non-block voters back block candidates. You were answered by myself and others. Furthermore, a lot of the goons were actually asking you questions and giving you feedback which could have strengthened your campaign. Some of the most gentle trolling I've ever seen the goons do was in this thread. Enough with these talking points and haughty anti-nullsec sentiment. A hulk owner that supports the folks that like to explode his hulk for giggles that says I don't understand high sec miners. Mining is more than isks/hour. It can be made much better in terms of fun per hour. No one in the CSM 6 did anything to expand the mining experience. And to claim that CSM 6 somehow get more interest on the part of CCP to counter botting is simply insane. NO high sec miner can really support Mittens unless they like the experience of being in their barges while the are exploded by griefers. I am not anti-null, I am anti-null exclusive focus, all of Eve needs to have balanced attention from CCP. That hasn't been the case for some time. But thanks for posting, I enjoy the goon and goon alt bumps. Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate tl;dr - ignore opinion of demographic I'm trying to get support from, make broad assumptions that people think the same way I do and if they don't they are dumb, call fellow miner a goon alt. I don't know why Goons bother to troll you when you wreck your campaign yourself! (Oh right, because it is hilarious.)
I must be doing something right if even the Blitzeners are now attacking me in my campaign thread. I just want to point out I have NOT attacked Hans in his thread, or any other candidate in their campaign threads.
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Karl Hobb wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:My demographic is not represented by the quoted poster, that is my point. My demographic most definitely are not supporters of the folks that enjoy ganking them while they mine in their barges. Not like you're going to answer, but please tell me how **** exploding is somehow harmful to the industrial profession? The more **** blows up, the more there is to make and sell. Honestly, the mining profession simply CANNOT exist within EVE without **** blowing up. Do you think everyone should only have to buy one Hulk and then call it good?
I certainly understand Eve is all about risk vs. reward and being at risk is part of Eve. Problem is barge ganking is a perfect example of risk/reward being out of whack. If I can spend 6 mil to kill a 100 mil barge with virtually no consequence to myself that seems a little out of balance.
Industrialist need ship losses in Eve to fuel the furnaces of industry. I support that, but sometime risk/reward in Eve is gets out of whack.
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Weaselior wrote:you can defeat destroyer ganking with a relatively small number of brain cells
for issler though, those are in short supply: best nerf the catalyst instead
Weasellor <--- in favor of nerfing destroyers!!!!
Come on, you are really running out of stream lately, your earlier trolls were so much more substantial!
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Josef Huffenpuff wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:My demographic is not represented by the quoted poster, that is my point. My demographic most definitely are not supporters of the folks that enjoy ganking them while they mine in their barges. I'm sorry Issler - I'm confused here. I don't see "your demographic" posting here in support - unless you call Flying Doom and Xenuria "support". I strongly suspect that "your demographic" is nowhere near as big as you think it is. And please don't keep calling us goon alts just because we don't support you. You've actually had some pretty good advice from Goonswarm and Goonwaffe members here about how to focus your campaign on a subject, appeal to a greater number of people and actually have some chance of success if you try again next year. I'm an industrial toon. I think Industry and mining in Eve is completely borked. I think that in a perfect world WiS would be a great feature with gameplay that lets us actually do something other than walk around an empty room or go to a virtual bar where I can pretend to buy drinks and /emote at other players. But you don't offer anything in your platform this year that would make me even vaguely think about voting for you. If you're serious about being on the CSM - you have to change that. Now, can I get back to trolling on my shiptoasting alt please.
Feel free to go through all 40 pages of this thread counting everyone and show me just how few supporters I really have! That would sure show me what for! We won't know anything about my demographic till the results are out.
But thanks for your insight about how much great advice the goons have given me.... they truly have been so supportive in making me successful....
This isn't about me, its about the message and the goons and friends never seem to want to talk about that.
Mining has been ignored. More folks mine than any other activity. Isn't it time the miners of Eve got some love from CCP?
If you want to talk about that we can have a conversation.
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Johnny Marzetti wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: This isn't about me, its about the message and the goons and friends never seem to want to talk about that.
Mining has been ignored. More folks mine than any other activity. Isn't it time the miners of Eve got some love from CCP?
If you want to talk about that we can have a conversation.
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Okay, let's leave "goons and friends" out of this for a moment. Why would a miner vote for you instead of, say, Seleene?
Because a miner might ask why I should vote for a character that made no claim to improve mining if elected to the CSM 7 and has time in previous CSMs to try and improve mining and never seemed to have shown any interest....
Just saying, but that is an excellent question, thanks for making this a more useful debate!
By the way, as posted in another thread when the election began, Seleene was one of the previous CSM I'd support for reelection.
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Barnabas O'Malley wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:This isn't about me, its about the message and the goons and friends never seem to want to talk about that. Mining has been ignored. More folks mine than any other activity. Isn't it time the miners of Eve got some love from CCP? There you go again.Seriously though, at this point you're just being dishonest. Drop this charade of the upstanding high sec industrialist giving a voice to miners everywhere. The mineral market has been ruined by RMT. Prices got so bad I sold my mining toon and pursued other things. I think I will make some catalyst alts.
OK, please point to a single thing I'd said that is a lie.
I am definitely against RMT.
Oh, you sold your mining character so you were the one that lied when you claimed to be a miner that I seek to support.
If you really want to experience Eve how about leaving your NPC corp and actually play the game.
The troll is strong in this one.....
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Vordak Kallager wrote:Johnny Marzetti wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Johnny Marzetti wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: This isn't about me, its about the message and the goons and friends never seem to want to talk about that.
Mining has been ignored. More folks mine than any other activity. Isn't it time the miners of Eve got some love from CCP?
If you want to talk about that we can have a conversation.
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Okay, let's leave "goons and friends" out of this for a moment. Why would a miner vote for you instead of, say, Seleene? Because a miner might ask why I should vote for a character that made no claim to improve mining if elected to the CSM 7 and has time in previous CSMs to try and improve mining and never seemed to have shown any interest.... Just saying, but that is an excellent question, thanks for making this a more useful debate! By the way, as posted in another thread when the election began, Seleene was one of the previous CSM I'd support for reelection. Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate Seleene has advocated a full blown industrial expansion in his thread. The current CSM has advocated strongly for a drone mineral nerf. Drone region minerals probably damage the mineral market more than just about anything else. Issler is the Michelle Bachmann of the CSM7 elections. Quotes false stuff and stubbornly refuses to accept logic. It's hopeless, Johnny.
A blitzner again!
An industrial expansion that doesn't actually expand the current mining experience. Maybe more isk/hr, but no more fun/hr when mining. And you can't refute the comment about lack of interest while in previous CSMs. And I said I supports Seleene's election. I was asked why someone might vote for me instead and I answered the question.
I'll say this one more time..... when I talk about improving mining in Eve.... I mean the FUN PER HOUR as well as the income. No other candidate has expressed interest in that.
By the way, Hans is in no way a supporter of Seleene.
I may not win but the one thing I've done this election is not attack the other candidate and have been 100% honest even if I didn't think it was in my best interest in terms off total vote count.
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Barnabas O'Malley wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: OK, please point to a single thing I'd said that is a lie.
I am definitely against RMT.
Oh, you sold your mining character so you were the one that lied when you claimed to be a miner that I seek to support.
If you really want to experience Eve how about leaving your NPC corp and actually play the game.
The troll is strong in this one.....
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I didn't lie. I said I was a miner. The main reason I sold my mining toon is because there was no money in it. Because the mineral market was destroyed. And Mittens and co convinced CCP to make changes in the drone regions so mineral prices would be more attractive to miners. You have deliberately ignored this fact in post after post. I've been in a number of corps as a casual player. I've done many activities at various points during my time in eve. And at no point did I consider voting for you. I started posting in response to your question about why empire dwellers voted for Mittens. Then I decided to post in this thread when it was clear you weren't trying to get real information from your other thread. You've just been parroting the same thing people have shot down again and again at this point - that the current CSM has done nothing for mining which is a lie.
If you think the idea of finally getting around to nerfing the drone drops was just mittens you have been living in a hole. This has been discussed and actively suggested to CCP way before the CSM 6. What I do remember the CSM 6 bringing up as their own idea was nerfing ore in WHs.
So is this character an alt? Why wouldn't you post with your main? Would your main be in the goons?
If I didn't respond to you in a manner that you liked its because seemed pretty clear you weren't what you represented yourself to be. You post with an alt and make claims that were not intended to start a reasonable discourse. You just wanted to blindly discredit without taking the time to build a reasoned case and do your homework about what I stand for.
So how about posting your next reply with that main that owned the hulk you claimed was no longer worth your time to fly. By the way all my corp members are still mining and although they support making mining better seem to be able to make a decent living even with the depressed mineral prices. Maybe you were never in a decent mining corp!
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Barnabas O'Malley wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: If you think the idea of finally getting around to nerfing the drone drops was just mittens you have been living in a hole. This has been discussed and actively suggested to CCP way before the CSM 6. What I do remember the CSM 6 bringing up as their own idea was nerfing ore in WHs. You need to read my earlier posts more closely. You ignored what I actually wrote. Go re-read some of my posts and if you have a problem quote them here. Also, why did you not mention this in your initial platform and instead focus on an arbitrary change in mining mechanics which is to have more "fun per hour" instead of the far more populist issue with mineral prices? Issler Dainze wrote:So is this character an alt? Why wouldn't you post with your main? Would your main be in the goons? This character is my main. I find it odd you didn't bring this up when I first posted in your other thread. Issler Dainze wrote:If I didn't respond to you in a manner that you liked its because seemed pretty clear you weren't what you represented yourself to be. You post with an alt and make claims that were not intended to start a reasonable discourse. You just wanted to blindly discredit without taking the time to build a reasoned case and do your homework about what I stand for. It's not a question of how you responded. It's the fact that you kept parroting false talking points which said that the CSM nothing to address problems with mining and the like. My first post was a direct response to your question in your other thread. It's not "blindly" discrediting something if I've read your vague platform and then weighed it against my own experiences ingame and arguments from other members of the eve community. Issler Dainze wrote:So how about posting your next reply with that main that owned the hulk you claimed was no longer worth your time to fly. By the way all my corp members are still mining and although they support making mining better seem to be able to make a decent living even with the depressed mineral prices. Maybe you were never in a decent mining corp! If the mineral market is bad, it doesn't matter how good your corp is. The hit you take to your isk/hour is unacceptable either way. And speaking from experience as a miner, most miners mine for isk. "FUN PER HOUR" and isk per hour are one and the same. Again you really need to read my posts more closely. How can I post with a "main" that I sold? You even quoted the fact that I sold it and now you want me to post on it.
Your main character with an employment history of one NPC corp says it all.
So why should I waste my time speaking to someone who can invent any history they want.
You won't vote for me, fine, but at least I'm who I say I am.
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Vordak Kallager wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: A blitzner again!
An industrial expansion that doesn't actually expand the current mining experience. Maybe more isk/hr, but no more fun/hr when mining. And you can't refute the comment about lack of interest while in previous CSMs. And I said I supports Seleene's election. I was asked why someone might vote for me instead and I answered the question.
I'll say this one more time..... when I talk about improving mining in Eve.... I mean the FUN PER HOUR as well as the income. No other candidate has expressed interest in that.
By the way, Hans is in no way a supporter of Seleene.
I may not win but the one thing I've done this election is not attack the other candidate and have been 100% honest even if I didn't think it was in my best interest in terms off total vote count.
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Hans and Seleene are friends, actually. So you want to change the actual mechanic for mining, making it more engaging as opposed to making mining more profitable? Cool, Hans has talked about this as well. There has been quite a bit of discussion in his campaign thread and on his blog about iterating on the actual mining mechanic to make it more engaging for players, and a lot of cool ideas have been proposed by him and those participating in the discussion. Have any ideas on how to improve the "fun/hour" ? Or is this another case of "I'll do what the community tells me to do!" and you don't have any ideas yourself. BTW, having your own ideas doesn't make you a self-serving individual with an agenda to push. It gives people a basis on which to judge the merit of your intelligence and creativity. You're right, having your own ideas doesn't mean that CCP will use them, but what it does mean is that when CCP gives the CSM a list of ideas protected by NDA, we voters will have some idea of how our CSM rep. might react. (I.E. if they have had their own good ideas, maybe they will recognize CCP's good ideas and push for those, or perhaps they will recognize if one of CCP's ideas is total ****, etc.)
So before the election stared I was eve mailed by Hans to ask me not to run and support him instead, He described Seleene as a pandering and not worthy of reelection.
I never brought it up because I have been trying to keep this a positive campaign. So please show me the Hans being about making mining more fun. Never said that and he sure hasn't made it front and center in his campaign.
I have posted lots of suggestions including things like comets which you would know if did any research about my campaign.
My ideas aren't self serving because my ideas will be vetted in the public forums along with every other decent idea and ultimately chosen or filtered out before presented to CCP.
So keep on blitnering you blitzner! Your candidate is awesome I'm sure. Sadly he attracts fanboys that can't keep this election positive and about merit and feel the need to attack the other canidates.
If I am so horrible and my ideas and stands on issues in Eve why are you wasting your time posting here. My horrible anti-appeal as a candidate would have me fail on my own...... right?
Maybe I'm not so bad and you fear I might be connecting, otherwise why waste your time posting here?
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PS.... for the Blitzers.. the eve mail from your hero..... an email I received prior to the election... bolded some of my favorite parts.. by the way, Hans seems like a decent candidate, but I am not going negative and I wish his supporters would have done the same.....
Hello Issler,
I invite you to check out the launch of my campaign in Jita Park. I am ineterested to hear what you think of my campaign and platform, take the time to review everything carefully.
I have been private about this, and not announced previously, because I needed all the commitments in place to know that I was secure as a front-runner in this race.
Unfortunately, due to the stakes of the election, while I sympathize with many of the party's values I do not believe it is possible to obtain mutiple seats when faced with an array of null blocs and incumbents. I cannot in good conscience support a "party strategy" with multiple candidates if I already believe it will not be enough to defeat the top 7. We need to pick one candidate for Empire against the 0.0 blocs, and run with them.
However, since you did promise to lend your support to the candidate with the best chance of winning, I invite you to review my campaign, and decide whether it is one you would consider supporting rather than running as a competitor and thinning down the crucial vote concentration we will need to defeat the incumbents and place a TRUE empire candidate (as supposed to Trebor, Seleene, etc, who all pander) in the top 7.
I will be asking Kelduum Revaan and the other "front runners" to consider the same - are you truly prepared? Do you have a voting core? If not, I'm afraid its too late. However, I hope you will find me quite passionate, rational, and most of all, driven to succeed and following a winning game plan.
Take your time, I know these are difficult decisions... but I'm hoping we can work together and have no hard feelings.
Best of luck whatever you decide,
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[quote=Hans Jagerblitzen][quote=Issler Dainze So before the election stared I was eve mailed by Hans to ask me not to run and support him instead, He described Seleene as a pandering and not worthy of reelection
I never brought it up because I have been trying to keep this a positive campaign. So please show me the Hans being about making mining more fun. Never said that and he sure hasn't made it front and center in his campaign.[/quote
I can take it from here, Vordak
Issler, I don't know what to say. This is neither the first time you've misconstrued my campaign platform (due to not actually ever reading my campaign platform), nor the first time you've made a knee-jerk statement about me without doing your research. [i] I have great respect for Seleene and Trebor both, they've worked hard during their terms as CSM6 members and are both worthy of re-election. Votes for either of them would be very well-spent. [/i
Do yourself a favor and conduct yourself with a bit of grace during the final hours of the election here, I hate to see it end like this. Kindly remove any personal communications from public forums and show some respect for your fellow candidates that have worked hard this campaign season. There just isn't any good reason to be muck-raking in the eleventh hour, unless this is how you want your campaign to be remembered
I thought we were having a friendly conversation last night, I'm really disappointed to log in this morning to such nonsense.[/quote
How is it nonsense. I stand by anything I eve mail and I can see what your motivation was to narrow the field. There is nothing particularly bad in your email but it does refute clearly that you would support Seleene as a mining candidate counter to the claim of your supporter
I have not posted in any other campaign thread anything but support for the candidates I hope to work besides and none of my supporters are in your thread raking the muck, sadly, you can't say the same. I've kept this positive and civil and I'll stick by what I've posted
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Grumpy Owly wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:I never brought it up because I have been trying to keep this a positive campaign. So please show me the Hans being about making mining more fun. Never said that and he sure hasn't made it front and center in his campaign.[/quote As you request, nicely front and center in his campaign [quote=Hans Jagerblitzen][quote=Joyitii]Mining thoughts....[/quote Checked out the thread. Textural mapping or spin rate variation to distinguish between asteroids that are named the same on overview, but contain varying amounts of ore is brilliant. It is perhaps the most beautiful solution to the problem I've seen so far. And developmentally, this makes a lot of sense. We've just overhauled planets, nebulas, warp tunnels, and now the ships themselves.....leaving asteroid belts as sadly one of the most graphically outdated features in the game. It makes absolute sense to me to build a "captcha" into the markings of the asteroids, their shape, or their motion, and solve the botting issue without even having to do much more work than they should be doing anyways to keep up with their artwork schedule. DEATH TO ALL BOTS. I favor solutions that elevate mining as a profession. I also believe in addressing problems at their root. Currently mining is not a well-respected profession, despite it being such a critical part of the EvE economy. One of the root causes of this is that the game mechanics are so simplistic that artificial intelligence can substitute for human intuition. This is not the fault of the players. The resulting arguments over who is botting and who isn't absolute tear the EvE community to shreds year after year. It fuels griefing, it causes massive distrust amongst all sorts of player entities, even reaching the CSM itself. This is in no way the kind of "good conflict" that drives game activity and keeps things fun. It's quite the opposite. If we can convince CCP there's an accessible solution to the bot problem, that they can even sell well as part of an expansion (customers love new shineys!) I think its a win-win-win for the entire EvE community. Consider this a solution I can push to the developers if elected, until someone shows me something better. Also has suggestions in his campaign platform of a similar nature. These comments are well over a month old As such all I see is a vain attempt to claim possesion or a monopoly on certain elements of gameplay or ideas in your campaign Issler I would have thought to maintain respect you would have researched these claims and not been so insular to believe your either the only candidate that has concerns about these views or that others might be incapable of seeing it as an issue It's left with a bad view of you personally. I had some aspect of respect previously and sympathy from certain trolling and threadnaughting behaviour to your campaign position due to the Goons. But now you seem to have resorted to similar unfounded tactics in what I believe now is to try a poistion yourself at the 11th hour as the singular goto candidate on mining or industrial work, presumably to scoop up any last votes associated with that area I would have thought it more important to keep your respect and try to work with other candidates at this point in the election campaign as you may end up having to work as a colleague on the CSM if succesfull with certain individuals I and my alts have already voted and they include some aspect of industrial work including some portion of mining but isn't the main focus. But they did not vote for you and I'm glad now, as your tolerances for others or the blinkered crusade you have adopted has done nothing for me but to see you as an slightly irrational pilot with a zealous focus to one area that may jeapordise an ability to see other issues as a result All the best for the campaign still but you might just have lost any CSM 8 credibility with me as a result also.
There is nothing "unfounded" in my response, if there is could you point it out to me
Hans can't claim to be trying to support the same group of players I am trying to support. That is the point. His play style and interest are not high sec focused or mining focused which mine have consistently been for the eight plus years I've been in Eve. I haven't attacked him nor have I attempted lure his voters. The same can be said for my supporters. That can no longer be said for Hans or some of his supporters. Hans had run a great campaign and looks to doing very well. But he started out planning on displacing me and undermining my support from the start
I'm sorry if you feel I've lost credibility with you, you seem like a reasonable fellow, but I've been consistent, honest and positive throughout this campaign despite the constant barrage of trolls and attacks
I've run this campaign on some very simple ideas. High sec can come together and get a voice in the CSM 7. Miners are way overdue for some attention from CCP and finally if I am elected I will make sure the ideas presented by me to the CSM/CCP are the refined with the players actively involved. If that isn't what you want from a candidate then I'm not the person you should support
As for CSM 8, I am definitely not spending any time thinking about the, I'm just trying to survive CSM 7! [:)
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Weaselior wrote:one of the more hilarious things is issler still hasn't figured out the concept of a forums signature
I sign my posts because it seems to annoy the goons. We've been over this before. Again, you can do better.
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Andski wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:I am definitely against RMT. funny how you said that the only people who are against RMT are those without the $$$ (and certainly not CCP who probably doesn't like the higher operating costs from all the 23.5/7 bots) and how there's no reason why you shouldn't be allowed to sell off your assets for real money
Late to the party I see, this claim that I support this has already been debunked. I did use this argument to get some less than brilliant goons wrapped around the axle in a chat at the beginning of the election.
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Grumpy Owly wrote:Then please cite evidence to support your claims Issler, because all evidence points to the contrary.
I used less than 10 mins to find actual facts to despoil your attempts to undermine Hans position about Mining.
So please where is this evidence to suggest Hans is less than supportive of Selene and Trebor? So far all we have seen is your word on a position about Hans and subsequently he has remarked he is supportive of their campaigns.
Where is the validity in your "100% honesty" campaign. As the opinions only you are projecting or the incorrect statements I already have shown to be incorrect say otherwise. Where's the evidence?
If you can't produce anything to support your claims, and yet have been shown to be incorrect, I'd suggest using humble pie and perhaps an apology?
You can't claim it is that important to him if it took you 10 minutes to find.
Front and center is not 174th post in a thread and it is buried in the bible of everything in Eve corrected Hans has provided.
I have made mining all I'm really talking about. We couldn't have been more apart in how we ran our campaigns.
Less support, did you read his email, he called them panderers.
What incorrect statement have I made?
Sorry you have lost faith in me, but clearly you never really had much to start if you are making such a huge effort to elevate Hans and ignore his own mail to me I share.
Thanks for what you have posted in my threads, good luck in the future, fly safe. I'm going back to talking about issues and not spending any more time responding to personal attacks.
If you want to talk issue, then sure, I'm all ears. If you want rake the muck, I have better things to do.
Also as a final comment, at no time have I attacked Hans, I've been pretty complimentary in fact, what I have said and I'll say it again is we ran for CSM 7 with very different approaches.
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Weaselior wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Weaselior wrote:one of the more hilarious things is issler still hasn't figured out the concept of a forums signature I sign my posts because it seems to annoy the goons. We've been over this before. Again, you can do better. Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate no you have not figured out the concept of a forums signature, that automatically appends a signature to your post so you stop typoing it
I don't because I change them often based on the response.
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Weaselior wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: Hans can't claim to be trying to support the same group of players I am trying to support. That is the point.
that's an embarassment to your campaign, as all the "non-mining" candidates have better ideas, better analysis, and better platforms on the issue of mining in other words you are such a failure you can't even beat people on your pet issue
See, now this a slightly better troll than most of the recent ones.
Thanks for starting to take the time to show you really care about the quality of your forum harassment! It makes me feel special!
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Grumpy Owly wrote:Weaselior wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: Hans can't claim to be trying to support the same group of players I am trying to support. That is the point.
that's an embarassment to your campaign, as all the "non-mining" candidates have better ideas, better analysis, and better platforms on the issue of mining in other words you are such a failure you can't even beat people on your pet issue Actually its this kind of self righteous assumed monopoly on ideas that makes this scary. And I guess no evidence to your claims above either as you suggested just continual ravings to points you can't backup. Such amazing integrity. Especially when there is hard evidence to contradict your statements, which you now also simply want to dismiss. For me I'm seeing the true Issler now, no longer wishing you any success in the CSM.
How can I be told that I am claiming a monopoly on ideas when my whole platform is based on bringing the best of the players ideas to the CSM?
As for my statement that Hans doesn't represent the players I seek to represent. Here is a simple example. Last night Hans and I were both cruising through the trade hubs spread our message. The difference was I wasn't being chased by concord while I did it. Hans was bright red because his play style has resulted in seriously negative security status. Not what you would expect from someone that would be a "high sec" candidate.
Hans has some great ideas and a large base of players he can do a great job for. But the segment I choose to represent, the high sec miner, is not a group he has ever focused on and would likely never focus on. Because his play style isn't related to that segment of players. That isn't an attack, that is a simple fact.
Can Hans do a great job for a sizable part of Eve? Yes! Is Hans more representative of high sec miners? No, not at all.
Not an attack, a fact. Sorry if facts make you support me less because I tend to rely on facts and reality a lot in my approach o life.
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Kai Tel wrote:You know? I am like on my second bag of popcorn.
If I manage to other success in the CSM 7 election, my threads were some interesting reading.....
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For folks that complained about me saying I believed I represent high miners more than Hans, I'll share this from Hans' own campaign thread.
Jade Constantine wrote:Keep voting Hans for a lowsec/FW/small gang focus for the next development cycle!
I think that is a better description of who he supports and what the heck is wrong with that?
That is a great segment of players and what it seemed to me to be the segment Hans set out to represent.
The CSM is healthier if we have a diverse group of members with varied focus. The path to success is not to try and claim you are better at representing every segment in Eve than the other guy because you can't be.
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Posted - 2012.03.20 19:51:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:Weaselior wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: Hans can't claim to be trying to support the same group of players I am trying to support. That is the point.
that's an embarassment to your campaign, as all the "non-mining" candidates have better ideas, better analysis, and better platforms on the issue of mining in other words you are such a failure you can't even beat people on your pet issue Actually its this kind of self righteous assumed monopoly on ideas that makes this scary. And I guess no evidence to your claims above either as you suggested just continual ravings to points you can't backup. Such amazing integrity. Especially when there is hard evidence to contradict your statements, which you now also simply want to dismiss. For me I'm seeing the true Issler now, no longer wishing you any success in the CSM. How can I be told that I am claiming a monopoly on ideas when my whole platform is based on bringing the best of the players ideas to the CSM? Since you are suggesting that someone "can't" claim to support a particular group. Its directly prohibitive by definition and as such assumes you have some singular interest that others can't in any way offer interest or support to. You asked to see where Hans has suggested that mining could be more fun, as you beleived there was no evidence, I supported that with evidence that took me no time to find by using an EvE search feature. You now want to dismiss it as invalid so that it doesnt hurt your claim you made in error about another candidate. You can't support your other claims which are in effect "mud" slinging attempts to discredit another candidate other than your own opinion. It's not my problem that you have adopted a "theme" or narrow set of interests to represent. But it does not in anyway give you some kind of special right to suggest that others are unable to utilise the subject material in their own campaigns. I'm sure Hans will be humble and suggest he may not be the most experienced miner. For which you may have better experience in representing. But its does not mean it has to be an outright exclusion principal, or that some aspect of awareness cannot be derived. My main problem is the fact you are using unbased claims for which there is contrary evidence and not backing any of your points up expcept with arrogance and opinion. That is why you have lost my support.
Again, I never claimed Hans didn't have mining ideas, I said he wasn't focusing his campaign on them. I would type it in bigger letters if I could so after I point that out yet again you might actually process that.
I didn't mud sling! How much more positive could I be towards Hans other than say vote for him which I am not going to do.
Again, you have no interest in reading what I've written and responding to that. You've made you mind up and you want to just keep re-posting the same inaccurate statements.
PLEASE CITE ONE UNBASED CLAIM!!
What I claimed and is easy to see if mining was not one of Hans' major areas of focus in his campaign. There is nothing wrong with that, but if you are a miner you are better served by a candidate that started out with that as their primary focus.
Your own claim that it took you 10 minutes to find Hans talking about mining proves it isn't what he is running on. You can see I am running on mining instantly.
So you've made up your mind, you clearly aren't reading anything I've written, what is your goal so I can help you on your way. Telling me you won't support me for CSM 8? OK, no worries, no idea if I'd run for CSM 8. To tell you to vote or Hans? You should if you feel he is the best candidate?
To ignore my response to bump my thread? OK, whatever floats your boat.
Again, if you have an issue to discuss please let me know what it is. But unless you can cite those unbased claims your going on about it seems we've hit an impasse.
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Posted - 2012.03.20 20:19:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: As for my statement that Hans doesn't represent the players I seek to represent. Here is a simple example. Last night Hans and I were both cruising through the trade hubs spread our message. The difference was I wasn't being chased by concord while I did it. Hans was bright red because his play style has resulted in seriously negative security status. Not what you would expect from someone that would be a "high sec" candidate.
Hans has some great ideas and a large base of players he can do a great job for. But the segment I choose to represent, the high sec miner, is not a group he has ever focused on and would likely never focus on. Because his play style isn't related to that segment of players. That isn't an attack, that is a simple fact.
There is a good reason I wasn't cruising empire space in any of my mining characters (I have several, with maxed skills). I prefer they remain anonymous and not be targeted, same as most people do with their other characters. I simply can't believe how flippantly you keep using words like "facts" and "proof" without even thinking through your statements. The idea that because ONE of my characters engages in occasional piracy means I cannot represent mining interests, is unfounded. Really, the idea that in-game actions have ANY bearing on a candidates ability to listen to the community and represent their interests is unfounded. My work ethic and history speak for themselves. I have backed up my commitment to the players with ACTIONS that began long before campaign season. I have done far more than sit back and say "I'm ________'s friend, vote for me". Issler, you need to just stop. Continuing to make blatantly ignorant statements about other candidates is by nature attacking them. Posting private email in an attempt to mislead the public about my relationship with other candidates is by nature attacking them. You have disrespected my platform, my writings, my lengthy threads, and my work with the community multiple times now, and you continue to do so. This is behavior unbecoming of a CSM member, and you are only giving voters reason NOT to vote for you during these crucial last few hours. I've tried to give you advice throughout the campaign that you've repeatedly ignored, and that continue to get you into trouble. Here is my last piece of advice - anyone involved with the forums heavily has already cast you vote. You are wasting your time here, and making yourself look more foolish. End this soapboxing, stop posting, and get back to vote-grinding in game. It is the only thing you can do to get more votes at this point, and that is a FACT.
I stand by everything I've said about you. That you aren't a high sec miner but now seem to want to be one is a very strange development from a candidate that seems to be doing well by all indications.
A lot of miners wouldn't support a candidate that partakes in any piracy, did that ever occur to you? That you choose to hide your mining characters seem to indicate you want to separate yourself from the plight of the miners.
You've done more in this post to discredit you with any real high sec miner than anything I said.
Let's see, pirate.... afraid to let anyone know who your mining alts are because you might get ganked....
You aren't running as a miner and don't need to be! That should be fine by you!
You have a large segment of players that you seem well suited to represent, why isn't that enough for you? What's with all this last minute vote grabbing? I'm not out trying to claim I'm Captain Awesome for every segment of Eve, why do you need to now?
I take back everything nice I said about you.
Your ego is writing checks you mind can't cash sir! You are not the hero of every aspect of Eve!
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Posted - 2012.03.20 20:20:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:hans do not try to stop this trainwreck we have only a few hours left and I insist on getting every little bit of joy out of isslerposts before she disappears into her shame hole for another year
I feel a little sad, I don't know how you'll fill your days without me around to troll!
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Posted - 2012.03.20 20:40:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: PLEASE CITE ONE UNBASED CLAIM!!
Again, if you have an issue to discuss please let me know what it is. But unless you can cite those unbased claims your going on about it seems we've hit an impasse.
Fair enough: Issler Dainze wrote:He described Seleene as a pandering and not worthy of reelection. and yet we have: Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: I have great respect for Seleene and Trebor both, they've worked hard during their terms as CSM6 members and are both worthy of re-election. Votes for either of them would be very well-spent. so Grumpy Owly wrote:Then please cite evidence to support your claims Issler, because all evidence points to the contrary. For which you haven't. However to be honest I think Hans puts it quite succintly that it's a collection of assumptions and opinions aswell as these unbased claims that suggest you don't research your material and/or just use your own derived blinkered "truths" rather than empirical evidence to support things. I do find it interesting also that he subsequently does have "HANs on" (sorry for the pun) experience in the subject matter you seem to think he's unqualified to represent. Anyhow I've had enough of the tall stories from a so called "honest" candidate. Don't wish you any success in the CSM as a result. And have had enough of you simply avoiding your errors further or wanting to simply dismiss them with the same old arrogance. Other candidates on the CSM7 have similar undesirable characteristics of this nature. Also if you persist in your argument that limited experience means an incapable candidate, I would look to your own set of experiences and interests as surely your restricted set would suggest a poorly rounded candidate for the CSM. Fortunatley for you I don't put much stock in this kind of thinking or your arguments too much here. But recognise that candidates may have particular strengths that they can collectively use aswell as player interest and opinion.
You certainly are entitled to have an opinion. Did you know that once a person makes up their mind the more evidence to the contrary the harder that person commits to it? Look for a book called "You are not so smart" to read more about it. You are clearly dug in and way past that point about this. So I won't bother to discuss it with you any further since you haven't read or thought a bit about my response.
Fly safe sir!
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Posted - 2012.03.20 20:45:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Weaselior wrote:hans do not try to stop this trainwreck we have only a few hours left and I insist on getting every little bit of joy out of isslerposts before she disappears into her shame hole for another year Apparently there's nothing I can do to stop it, its out of my hands now. I tried my best. Issler, go do a thorough review of my killboard, show us some suicide ganks, and you can continue with the completely silly argument that my security status means that I can't represent miner interests. Even if I WAS engaging in high sec aggression - it wouldn't have bearing on the job I could do for them. How many war targets have I shot all season long and still have their votes? EVE players are smart enough to know the difference between who you shoot in game, and whether you're vouching for them on the council. This is what you don't seem to understand. The work of the CSM is listening to players, taking notes on what matters to them, and forwarding this information to CCP, and providing them with good advice. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IN-GAME ACTIONS. Again, there are several hours left in the polls. Instead of being out there looking for more votes, you're taking time here to demonstrate to the public your lack of understanding about how to be an effective CSM member. You're claiming I'm just now beginning to call myself a miner, despite the fact I've been mining for years. What I didn't do this election was pretend that calling myself anything actually meant anything. That is the naive approach. I chose instead to prove to voters I can do the job of a CSM, by doing the job of a CSM before the election even began. And yet still, you declare that because I engage neutrals in low sec, I am somehow unfit to work with high sec miners. Prove that I'm a menace, show the public some killmails. Use FACTS or be forever on the record, once again, blatantly lying about another candidate in an attempt to discredit them with a particular voting group you've latched yourself on to and claim as your own.
Yes, you are hero to all, I support your election, Now please just go away! I did not attack you. But you are not a mining candidate. Fact, not an attack and if your ego wasn't the size of a dirigible you'd be happy being known in this election as the candidate that stands to support an important segment of Eve (even if that doesn't include high sec miners).
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Karl Hobb wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Did you know that once a person makes up their mind the more evidence to the contrary the harder that person commits to it? Look for a book called " You are not so smart" to read more about it. You are clearly dug in and way past that point about this. I know there's an old adage about a "kettle" that is relevant here. Having trouble remembering it...
I'm not immure to the effect which is why I felt we were at an impasse. I'm just willing to admit it.
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Sidus Sarmiang wrote:
Grumpy Owly I know you've posted against goons in the past, but lets all unite for a moment in mockery of this terrible, terrible candidate. Some things are funny enough to set out differences aside over.
Grumpy! I bet for only 500 million he can get you into the goons!! I'm feeling a lot of love in this post!
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Posted - 2012.03.20 20:56:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: PLEASE CITE ONE UNBASED CLAIM!!
Again, if you have an issue to discuss please let me know what it is. But unless you can cite those unbased claims your going on about it seems we've hit an impasse.
Fair enough: Issler Dainze wrote:He described Seleene as a pandering and not worthy of reelection. and yet we have: Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: I have great respect for Seleene and Trebor both, they've worked hard during their terms as CSM6 members and are both worthy of re-election. Votes for either of them would be very well-spent. so Grumpy Owly wrote:Then please cite evidence to support your claims Issler, because all evidence points to the contrary. For which you haven't. However to be honest I think Hans puts it quite succintly that it's a collection of assumptions and opinions aswell as these unbased claims that suggest you don't research your material and/or just use your own derived blinkered "truths" rather than empirical evidence to support things. I do find it interesting also that he subsequently does have "HANs on" (sorry for the pun) experience in the subject matter you seem to think he's unqualified to represent. Anyhow I've had enough of the tall stories from a so called "honest" candidate. Don't wish you any success in the CSM as a result. And have had enough of you simply avoiding your errors further or wanting to simply dismiss them with the same old arrogance. Other candidates on the CSM6 have marked similar undesirable characteristics of this nature. Also if you persist in your argument that limited experience means an incapable candidate, I would look to your own set of experiences and interests as surely your restricted set would suggest a poorly rounded candidate for the CSM. Fortunatley for you I don't put much stock in this kind of thinking or your arguments too much here. But recognise that candidates may have particular strengths that they can collectively use aswell as player interest and opinion.
Did Hans not say
(as supposed to Trebor, Seleene, etc, who all pander)
In the Eve mail he sent me personally? Did you bother to read it? So I had a basis for my position. This is what he really felt at the beginning of the election. I can only take him at his word.
Now I'll stop.
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Grumpy Owly wrote:Sidus Sarmiang wrote:
Grumpy Owly I know you've posted against goons in the past, but lets all unite for a moment in mockery of this terrible, terrible candidate. Some things are funny enough to set out differences aside over.
I think I've done enough for my own personal perspective to get a better understanding of the true colours of this candidate. I don't want to go all e-lawyer on Issler as a part of a campaign process, especially not with less than 24 hours to go. I've read enough, even tried to support Issler previously with posts as per some of the attacks to her campaign and posting where it was equally unfounded. So in short I don't want to go on an offensive where its unwarrented. There is enough supporting material to qualify my concerns to continue supporting this candidates campaign but will leave it to other players discretion. For certain I won't step in to support the candidate any more with points given what I now know if that is a suitable compromise, seeing as i can't justify doing so anymore.
So you choose to ignore the evidence for basis of my claim that Hans described the other candidates as pandering?
OK, no worries....
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Tess Saisima wrote:I've got to say, this thread was one of the most entertaining things in all this election. I'm sorry to say so, Issler, but I'm a high sec carebear miner, and yes, I really do think that Hans, or Seleene, would make better representatives for high sec miners than you (which is why I voted for them). Hell, I'm pretty sure The Mittani would fare better. Don't be too disappointed when you don't make it to the CSM. As they say, what matters is not the destination, but the journey, and your journey was hilarious.
So, thanks you. Thanks you very much.
Tess Saisima Forum alt (So, probably a goon alt, I guess)
I am glad to have provided you some entertainment.
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Weaselior wrote:hans how do you respond to charges that by advocating people vote for you instead of other candidates you have viciously slandered those other candidates I would respond by saying this "courtroom" has become a circus side-show. What is so unfortunate is that Issler seems to be hung up on "magic words" that she feels define a person, instead of a history of their actions. This is the first thing we learn about politicians - NEVER trust their words, you have to see what they actually follow through with. Issler does not do this. Issler's attempt to portray me as slandering Seleene or Trebor is rooted in a single *word* that she feels is more important than the entire sum of my *actions* during the campaign. It is the same reasoning that misled her into thinking that by using the words "the miner's friend" this somehow means she must be the best candidate for miners. Ultimately, the voters will be the judge here. It doesn't matter what I did or didn't say, or whether Issler declares herself the mining candidate or not, voters will look at our respective campaigns based on the effort that went into them, and judge each of us by our character and by the choices we've made, not merely the words we've said. TL,DR: Talk is cheap.
Yes it is, and when someone is faced with their own words and now fights so hard to deny them we see just how much they value their own words.
You say I told the world you slandered other candidates. I just shared what you said. It is for others to decide if what you said is slander. You took this negative and made it personal. I don't have anything to hide or deny.
I have no idea what you think your posts in this thread will accomplish. It won't get you votes. It won't affect the outcome for me. You will once again however leave stuff that could come back to haunt you down the road.
I have been 100% consistent for eight years in Eve and for multiple CSM elections. I don't have secrets and baggage or it would be all over this thread. So who is the honest politician here?
Hans, you said some stuff you wish you hadn't in an email and it bit you. Sorry, but everyone should assume anything put in writing gets a life of its own once its sent these days, there is a political lesson I can share with you. But don't worry, what you said won't change the outcome, your supporters don't care and in the grand scheme of things it wasn't that damming.
So Hans, good luck I have no doubt you'll be part of the CSM 7, now lets just virtual handshake and wait for the results.
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Posted - 2012.03.20 22:09:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: Yes, you are hero to all, I support your election, Now please just go away! I did not attack you. But you are not a mining candidate. Fact, not an attack and if your ego wasn't the size of a dirigible you'd be happy being known in this election as the candidate that stands to support an important segment of Eve (even if that doesn't include high sec miners).
I don't think you even understand what "attacking a candidate" is, because you just did it again. You're being sarcastic, telling everyone I'm not a mining candidate (despite the fact that you have industrialists in your own thread supporting me) and claiming that my ego is somehow out of control. But by all means, keep at it. I'm stuck away from home right now, I couldn't be logged in stumping for votes if I wanted to. You have an opportunity here to catch up with voters, and yet you continue to squander it by taking up precious time trying to discredit me with remarks about my mining credibility. The things you say now, and the way you conduct yourself in the final hours here, are how you are going to be remembered should you ever choose to campaign again. You can end the foot stomping and finger pointing, and get to work convincing people to vote for you, or you can continue and forever be known as the candidate who completely unraveled at the end of their race, who can't be trusted to communicate securely or respectfully, and responds to criticism with indignant anger instead of a constructive, grounded, rebuttal.
OK, I like dirigibles but there might have a snark or two in there.
Fundamentally however I have never said you are bad candidate, have bad ideas or wouldn't make a good member of CSM 7. That is the substance of what should matter here. That I think I better represent the high sec miners of Eve than you do is obvious, I wouldn't be running if I wasn't.
No one can do everything in Eve all the time! Why is that so hard for you to grasp and who on earth would support a candidate that makes that claim. Eve is one of the most complicated and deep games ever. The pilots of Eve deserve candidate that will focus on the areas of most interest to them. Almost all of the independent candidates running now are in part doing it because they believe that the last CSM has too narrow a focus and want to counter that by bringing similar sharp focus on the areas of the game they are most directly involved in. I don't see Alek in here trying to convince voters that even though he is the "war" candidate he also would be good for miners!
Again, own who you are and who you set out to represent. Be honest with yourself and you know that high sec miners were not who you expected to carry you to victory!
I believe a CSM populated by members that all represent specific segments of Eve is the best way for the CSM to make Eve as a whole a better place.
You are going to look back on this and see I've been the most positive and supportive of other candidates of anyone that ran for a seat in CSM 7. You won't be able to make the same claim.
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Posted - 2012.03.20 22:21:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Weaselior wrote:hans how do you respond to charges that by advocating people vote for you instead of other candidates you have viciously slandered those other candidates I would respond by saying this "courtroom" has become a circus side-show. What is so unfortunate is that Issler seems to be hung up on "magic words" that she feels define a person, instead of a history of their actions. This is the first thing we learn about politicians - NEVER trust their words, you have to see what they actually follow through with. Issler does not do this. Issler's attempt to portray me as slandering Seleene or Trebor is rooted in a single *word* that she feels is more important than the entire sum of my *actions* during the campaign. It is the same reasoning that misled her into thinking that by using the words "the miner's friend" this somehow means she must be the best candidate for miners. Ultimately, the voters will be the judge here. It doesn't matter what I did or didn't say, or whether Issler declares herself the mining candidate or not, voters will look at our respective campaigns based on the effort that went into them, and judge each of us by our character and by the choices we've made, not merely the words we've said. TL,DR: Talk is cheap. Yes it is, and when someone is faced with their own words and now fights so hard to deny them we see just how much they value their own words. You say I told the world you slandered other candidates. I just shared what you said. It is for others to decide if what you said is slander. You took this negative and made it personal. I don't have anything to hide or deny. Why should he not feel agreived when you were trying to engineer a view or responce: Issler Dainze wrote:So before the election stared I was eve mailed by Hans to ask me not to run and support him instead, He described Seleene as a pandering and not worthy of reelection.
I never brought it up because I have been trying to keep this a positive campaign You say trying to keep things positive so obviously you must view it in a negative light, how can that not be seen as trying to illicit a responce or throwing a view that people should see your intepretation of another candidate negatively. As such it was you who instigated this situation to ellicit a desired responce if anything. And now you want to manipulate the fault or it's relevance and useage onto Hans? And as it boils down to it may just be naive and childish understanding of a single word in the English language and what it really means missrepresnted by someone who wants to project their intepretation for selfish personal ends.
I didn't say it, Hans did and however you choose it to mean is up to you. You can say what he said in public is what is his real views. Sure, or maybe is views evolved. Fine, but he needs to own it. He said it, that is a fact. And I haven't spent any time following what other candidates have said about anyone. I've been 100% focused on spreading my message and responding to voters that wanted to discuss specifics of my platform. So if Hans said something about anything other than what he conveyed to me directly I didn't see it, because I'm spending my time running my campaign, not following his. If some else hadn't brought him up I would have gone the whole campaign and never mentioned him or the eve mail he sent.
I continue to say positive things about Hans as a candidate and yet all you seem to do is commit to attacking me personally. I'm sure you voted already and it certainly was never going to be me. I appreciate your previous support but you need to see this for what is is. Hans shared some thoughts he regrets. I think it isn't as dire as he paints it but it certainly got him wrapped around the axle.
I've been told I'll regret my responses here but I think if anyone ever does come back and rereads this thread I'm going to look pretty considerate and level headed and Hans is going to look like a bit of a nutter.
He gained nothing posting here if I really am a marginalized hopeless candidate and he was a shoe in for the chair. This backwater loser candidate thread couldn't possibly matter, he could have taken the high road and ignored the whole thing.
That's my opinion anyways.
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Posted - 2012.03.20 22:45:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:All I see is a stick in the mud scrambling to not admit they fabricated a view on missguided information. You still havent responded to the claims about the view to not see Seleene or Trebor re-elected. Seeing as you have manifested the views of "pandering" in an electoral process as a view that Hans didn't want to see them re-elected. It was you who said this specifically. Yet to re-iterate: Pandering is the act of expressing one's views in accordance with the likes of a group to which one is attempting to appeal. Something helpful to an election process I would imagine. It does not convery anything to do with either of those candidates being re-elected or not. This was your presented interpretation you used and not Hans words. Yet you havent still answered to this unbased claim you made. Which you did called me out (in capitals I add as can be seen above). At least you would do the courtesy of responding to answers and discussion you demanded.
I said he saw them as pandering. What I read into his eve mail was that he didn't seem them as true high sec candidates. I certainly saw nothing to indicate in the mail he sent me he supported their reelection.
If that was meant to say support their reelection he should have made that clearer. As I said I am not following the threads of any of the candidates, I have my hands full with mine.
If this gives you some satisfaction I now believe that Hans supports the reelection of Seleene and Trebor and would be glad to hear that folks voted for them.
I stand corrected, Sorry I got that wrong, as to the other things I've said about who I represent and who Hans represents I stand by what I posted.
Issler Dainze Now Believes Hans wanted Seleene and Trebor elected to CSM 7 The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
P.S. Everyone "fabricates" their views on the information at hand. If Hans was vague in his email that isn't my fault. I expect the majority would have interpreted the way I did. |
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Posted - 2012.03.20 23:01:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:Yet to re-iterate: Pandering is the act of expressing one's views in accordance with the likes of a group to which one is attempting to appeal. Something helpful to an election process I would imagine. I thought I could make some witty comment about Issler doing this herself, but unfortunately all I really know about her is that she is "the miner's friend".
Of course everyone running is engaged in some variation of pandering.
So everyone seems to marginalize my slogan, "The Miner's Friend". It is a simple campaign slogan that gets right to the point. I'm having a hard time seeing a simple memorable slogan as a bad thing. Once the election is over I'll share some insight into how I decided to run my election efforts the way I have. I'll provide a hint, I love studying how RL behavior seems to lose its way once we find ourselves in the Eve 'verse. My efforts for election were serious to be sure but I also took the opportunity to see Eve vs RL first hand.
But please, keep working on the witty remarks! We could use something to bring some more humor here!
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate Liked Karl's post because I hope for some future witty comments The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
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Posted - 2012.03.20 23:07:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:All I see is a stick in the mud scrambling to not admit they fabricated a view on missguided information. You still havent responded to the claims about the view to not see Seleene or Trebor re-elected. Seeing as you have manifested the views of "pandering" in an electoral process as a view that Hans didn't want to see them re-elected. It was you who said this specifically. Yet to re-iterate: Pandering is the act of expressing one's views in accordance with the likes of a group to which one is attempting to appeal. Something helpful to an election process I would imagine. It does not convery anything to do with either of those candidates being re-elected or not. This was your presented interpretation you used and not Hans words. Yet you havent still answered to this unbased claim you made. Which you did called me out (in capitals I add as can be seen above). At least you would do the courtesy of responding to answers and discussion you demanded. I said he saw them as pandering. What I read into his eve mail was that he didn't seem them as true high sec candidates. I certainly saw nothing to indicate in the mail he sent me he supported their reelection. If that was meant to say support their reelection he should have made that clearer. As I said I am not following the threads of any of the candidates, I have my hands full with mine. If this gives you some satisfaction I now believe that Hans supports the reelection of Seleene and Trebor and would be glad to hear that folks voted for them. I stand corrected, Sorry I got that wrong, as to the other things I've said about who I represent and who Hans represents I stand by what I posted. Issler Dainze Now Believes Hans wanted Seleene and Trebor elected to CSM 7 The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate P.S. Everyone "fabricates" their views on the information at hand. If Hans was vague in his email that isn't my fault. I expect the majority would have interpreted the way I did. Not everyone fabricates at all. Some might seek clarity on the issue at the time or later, or seek a second opinion or simply not assume in the first place. Or perhaps postulate it as a question. You however flat out drew it in a negative light to try to derive a responce for your election purposes. I will take your apology in that at least you recognise the error, but it really isnt me you discredited with it. How far you want to translate the apology to Hans due to the personal attack I'll leave to your discretion.
So I could get all philosophical but everyone's idea of reality is a fabrication of some sort. Some folks use differing data sets to make the assumptions that create the fabrication and sometime the fabrications can be shown to more closely map with "reality", which again is still some form of fabrication.
I get things wrong sometime and and anyone that knows me in RL will tell you I try to be as open minded as I can, but yes, I can make a mistake.
But at this point I'd say Hans owes me as much of an apology as I might owe him. I offered to correct this whole mess before he went all crazy in his later posts. But he dug in and would have none of it, and I'm sorry but I offered a pile of olive branches in this thread which he seemed more interested in using as kindling. I all but said vote for him. I didn't see much reciprocity.
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
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Posted - 2012.03.20 23:12:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Once the election is over I'll share some insight into how I decided to run my election efforts the way I have. I'll provide a hint, I love studying how RL behavior seems to lose its way once we find ourselves in the Eve 'verse. My efforts for election were serious to be sure but I also took the opportunity to see Eve vs RL first hand. O hai guise I was trolling all along! Issler Dainze wrote:But please, keep working on the witty remarks! We could use something to bring some more humor here! I... I don't even...
Definitely not trolling.. but trying to use the current US presidential election as a model for my campaign.
I do want to represent the miners in Eve in the CSM 7, I am very serious about that, but I was definitely seeing how current US politics could work as campaign model. Seems to be as bad in Eve as it is in RL!
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Posted - 2012.03.21 01:30:00 -
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[quote=Hans Jagerblitzen][quote=Issler Dainze But at this point I'd say Hans owes me as much of an apology as I might owe him. I offered to correct this whole mess before he went all crazy in his later posts. But he dug in and would have none of it, and I'm sorry but I offered a pile of olive branches in this thread which he seemed more interested in using as kindling. I all but said vote for him. I didn't see much reciprocity [/quote
Now that people are continuing to call you on your rude behavior, you have the audacity to pretend to be "the nice one" all along. I'm sorry, but tossing out a few "Hans is a good guy" lines isn't going to convince anyone that's been reading this and observed the pattern of knee-jerk and completely disrespectful comments that you have become known for. Everyone sees right through the self-righteousness here.
You've made false statements about my platform, you've insulted my writing by calling it a "waste of time", you've misconstrued my relationships with other people and opened your mouth before you knew any better, you've shown zero respect for anyone's privacy, you've called me unfit to represent the community, and now you're just plain calling me crazy. Please explain how ANY of this behavior is consistent with running a "positive and respectful campaign"
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Can you cite where I called it a waste of time for you? I said for the campaign I chose to run it would have been a waste of time for ME!
Why are you flogging this dead horse
Yes, all three of these people. It's terrible. A fellow that lied about who he was to try and make his point who I've never seen post before and a fellow I genuinely respect, Grumpy Owl, who getting in a kerfuffle with is something I regret
But what I said to you and about you, I stand by every word. If you can't even work something like this out you have no chance of being effective in the CSM 7
The election is over, I'm sure you did well, What on earth do you expect now
You said that this would someday damage someone's political future, how do you seeing this last post of yours making you look any better? What on earth is the point
Get a grip Hans, move along, nothing to see here....
Folks, for the record, at this point the voting is closed!! I have just completed graciously posting a sincere wish of good luck to all the candidates I would like to see in the CSM 7. That included Hans. I even suggested that he will finish 4th
Hans, you can take the high road, accept its over (it is no matter what you decide) and put this behind you or you can continue being an asshat and demanding in a pointless fashion something you will never get from me
If I was facing those two choices, I know which one I'd choose as well as which one makes me look less obsessed with being right in the future and who might be better suited at working through challenging personalities that may be part of the CSM 7
So you pick, I have nothing to lose, the election is a done deal, we'll see what the votes say but is you want to rant back and forth, have at it. I've gotten very used to it after 7 months of defending ambulation
Serioulsy Hans, you looked to have done great, let go and be happy with that.
Issler
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Posted - 2012.03.21 01:36:00 -
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Barnabas O'Malley wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:
Your main character with an employment history of one NPC corp says it all.
So why should I waste my time speaking to someone who can invent any history they want.
You won't vote for me, fine, but at least I'm who I say I am.
Issler Dainze The miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
It's very telling that you cling to this issue now instead of addressing all of the arguments myself and others have made throughout your threads. One only needs to look at everything I said in the post you quoted to see that. I've made no attempt to hide who I am. I was the one who said I sold my mining toon. And I've made no secret of the fact that I'm a very casual highsec dweller. But you already know that. I'm not going to insult your intelligence by explaining how over years of playing people can change toons(and even mains ) to pursue different play styles. You only brought that up in the hopes I'd stop posting. If I wanted to troll you on an alt, I could have said nothing about selling my toon and you wouldn't have been the wiser. It was only after I mentioned it that you began to question whether this was an alt in the hopes it would divert attention from the real issues people have with your campaign. The fact that I, a very casual highsec player, can come into your threads and point out your lack of knowledge about the demographics you claim to represent(as well as the game in general) shows how you're woefully under-qualified to be on the CSM. I didn't "invent any history." I stated what I have experienced ingame and widely known by eve's player base. You really exemplify a lot of the people against the current CSM. Most of them just don't know what they're talking about.
Go on, you are most impressive...... Even after the election is over you just can't stop yourself.... so sure.. post away!
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Posted - 2012.03.21 02:15:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: Yes, all three of these people. It's terrible. A fellow that lied about who he was to try and make his point who I've never seen post before and a fellow I genuinely respect, Grumpy Owl, who getting in a kerfuffle with is something I regret
Then I suppose you forgot my request for your views on Bounty Hunting? Or that you thanked me in your thread for the involvement? Or as an example me trying to support your credability in the Ambulation debate. Which you later go on to acknowledge and include in quotes later? Please I'm intrigued. How have I lied? Also, interesting that you see it of no consequence to continue discussing points now. I see the CSM7 as just starting not finishing at this point. Yes the elections have ended, but now I would expect the real matters of task relating to the CSM actually beginning.
If you read my last response to Hans I made it clear you were the one poster I was sad to have disappointed you...
"Yes, all three of these people. It's terrible. A fellow that lied about who he was to try and make his point who I've never seen post before and a fellow I genuinely respect, Grumpy Owl, who getting in a kerfuffle with is something I regret"
So I apologize to YOU.
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Posted - 2012.03.21 02:17:00 -
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Barnabas O'Malley wrote:This only needs to be linked in all future CSM elections to sink your candidacies in the years to come. It's a comprehensive record of your lies, your further lies relating to the people who called you on them and your parroting of things long since discredited.
It's also the only thread I've ever seen where goons gently caressed someone by actually being gentle. You were actually trolled worse by them engaging in real discourse.
And now you think this thread will magically die because the election is over. Good luck to you.
Yes, you have doomed me politically in space politics forever.......
How can I go on....
Issler
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Posted - 2012.03.21 02:22:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: Yes, all three of these people. It's terrible. A fellow that lied about who he was to try and make his point who I've never seen post before and a fellow I genuinely respect, Grumpy Owl, who getting in a kerfuffle with is something I regret
Then I suppose you forgot my request for your views on Bounty Hunting? Or that you thanked me in your thread for the involvement? Or as an example me trying to support your credability in the Ambulation debate. Which you later go on to acknowledge and include in quotes later? Please I'm intrigued. How have I lied? Also, interesting that you see it of no consequence to continue discussing points now. I see the CSM7 as just starting not finishing at this point. Yes the elections have ended, but now I would expect the real matters of task relating to the CSM actually beginning.
I'd point out on other thing. Once the election was over I stopped posting about this last dust up, went to the other candidates threads who I hoped were elected starting with Hans wishing a sincere "good luck". I thought it was over as far as candidate debates were concerned.
Hans is the one that couldn't let it go after it was over. So are you asking him the same question? What did he feel was the benefit to anyone in continuing the argument here? I looked and I didn't see you post that question to him.
Again, sorry I lost your support but you seem to be applying at least two standards here.
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Posted - 2012.03.21 03:55:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: I'd point out on other thing. Once the election was over I stopped posting about this last dust up, went to the other candidates threads who I hoped were elected starting with Hans wishing a sincere "good luck". I thought it was over as far as candidate debates were concerned.
Hans is the one that couldn't let it go after it was over. So are you asking him the same question? What did he feel was the benefit to anyone in continuing the argument here? I looked and I didn't see you post that question to him.
You persist in calling me crazy and telling me to "get a grip" in some vain attempt to have the last word and make me out to be the perpetrator, while ignoring the previous 6 pages where you lied, jumped to conclusions, broke trust, invaded privacy, insulted my writing, and called me unfit to lead. I understand why you want this to go away. Whether it ends or not has always been your choice, as much as you've tried to push the responsibility off on me. It's your decision whether to keep posting defensively, and keep giving players a record to judge your character for future reference. I really have nothing more to say, feel free to keep justifying yourself if you wish. All I ask is that you skip the compliments if you're just going to point to them like they're some badge of honor, and refuse to address everything else that you've said and done.
Yes, keeping this up doesn't make you look at all crazy.......
Dude, its over, lets see how we did. I do wish you good luck. Last time I'm going to say that to you.
I offered to do what you asked (do I need to post the email too?) and you went all mental before I could.
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Posted - 2012.03.21 04:01:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: Yes, all three of these people. It's terrible. A fellow that lied about who he was to try and make his point who I've never seen post before and a fellow I genuinely respect, Grumpy Owl, who getting in a kerfuffle with is something I regret
Then I suppose you forgot my request for your views on Bounty Hunting? Or that you thanked me in your thread for the involvement? Or as an example me trying to support your credability in the Ambulation debate. Which you later go on to acknowledge and include in quotes later? Please I'm intrigued. How have I lied? Also, interesting that you see it of no consequence to continue discussing points now. I see the CSM7 as just starting not finishing at this point. Yes the elections have ended, but now I would expect the real matters of task relating to the CSM actually beginning. I'd point out on other thing. Once the election was over I stopped posting about this last dust up, went to the other candidates threads who I hoped were elected starting with Hans wishing a sincere "good luck". I thought it was over as far as candidate debates were concerned. Hans is the one that couldn't let it go after it was over. So are you asking him the same question? What did he feel was the benefit to anyone in continuing the argument here? I looked and I didn't see you post that question to him. Again, sorry I lost your support but you seem to be applying at least two standards here. Issler Presumably comments continued here as this is the thread where the topic originated. Do you need me to be a peacemaker for your errors? Surely that is a personal matter between you and Hans. Why does it suddenly need my mediation to resolve? Especialy when I left it to your discretion as to how you wanted to treat the matter.
Peacemaker for may errors, I see one that was an easy one to make and I admitted it and apologized for it..
You might see if you can get Hans to start taking his space madness meds again, he doesn't seem capable of stopping himself.
Again, Grumpy Owly, you show yourself reasoned and level headed, thanks for that, if you know a way to get Hans to believe I am sincere in my wish of good luck to him you would be my hero.
I've conceded all I intend to, so unless folks just want to badger there really isn't a lot more to hope for from me, unless you really are here for the argument clinic...
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Posted - 2012.03.21 04:02:00 -
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Galatica789 wrote:Carebear is bitter it didnt get in CSM :(
First, you don't know that and second, really never expected to win. Hard to herd high sec miners into voting in the CSM.
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Posted - 2012.03.21 04:03:00 -
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Sidus Sarmiang wrote:Breakin' da triplepost
Why thanks for that!
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Posted - 2012.03.21 04:07:00 -
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Galatica789 wrote:I do know, and you had hope of winning, and now its gone
You are actually very wrong on a lot of levels.
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Posted - 2012.03.21 04:56:00 -
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Barnabas O'Malley wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Barnabas O'Malley wrote:This only needs to be linked in all future CSM elections to sink your candidacies in the years to come. It's a comprehensive record of your lies, your further lies relating to the people who called you on them and your parroting of things long since discredited.
It's also the only thread I've ever seen where goons gently caressed someone by actually being gentle. You were actually trolled worse by them engaging in real discourse.
And now you think this thread will magically die because the election is over. Good luck to you. Yes, you have doomed me politically in space politics forever....... How can I go on.... Issler SighAscribing something to me I never said or implied. I took the liberty to bold some parts of my last post for you.
You claim this thread is full of lies. How can that not imply my future political doom, unless you believe that voters like candidates that lie, which would go a long way to explain you.
I stand by everything I've posted. You are the alt that only revealed it when it suited your deceit.
I've got no issue with this or any other thread I've posted in.
So just to be clear to other folks that intend to post here.
I will only respond going forward to the following folks.
- Hans if he wants to rant crazy talk more here after he probalbly won a spot in the top 7 seats, I mean I can't get enough of that.
- Goon trolls, you've all won my heart!
- New folks!.
- Sullen birds because I like a certain owl and I hope we someday get to a better place!
- Miners! You are the shiniest pilots in all of Eve!
- Supporters! I love you all!
- Egg laying mammals! - I remain dedicated to the domestication of the Platypus!
- Llamas!
If you aren't in the above list I likely won't respond.
Issler
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Posted - 2012.03.21 05:29:00 -
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Will Hunter wrote:In a ''election'' were people like Xenuria and Riverine are candidates you manage to be the worts of the crop
please go back to the hole you came from
Ouch!! I'm the worts!!!! I am losing the will to live!!!
Seriously, I guess I need to be more specific about the goons I'll dance in the forums with.
-The regulars! You know who you are! You guys worked on your trolling and have earned some respect from me.
- New bees wanting to work on your trolling chops like this guy, make an effort, incorporate something I posted or did. There is plenty of stuff to draw from! Be clever!
If you are just going to phone it in like Will here I'll just block you like I just blocked him.
So sorry about the confusion.
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Posted - 2012.03.21 05:48:00 -
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Vordak Kallager wrote:Oh by the way Issler, if you weren't aware, a "Good luck!" =/= an apology. I think Hans is just annoyed that you won't apologize, not that you misconstrued what he stood for and denigrated his experience (although I believe you did this out of ignorance and not maliciously), not that you posted personal communications (not illegal, but certainly not classy), and not that you insist on questioning his mental state. He's requested an apology and you just side-step it saying, "Good luck Hans, I think you have a chance at CSM7!" then in the next line saying "Hans is a nutter, he is the bad guy here." Repeatedly.
Sorry that my interpretation doesn't align with yours. But look at it from my perspective. Before the election some stranger I've never heard of contacts me directly saying he has the election all sewed up and there is no point in me, or many other candidates running. He sends me a link to an impressive document with many good ideas but nothing that address the whole reason I'm running and implies somehow he'd be better to represent my constituency. I'm polite in my response and go about my business. I see he seems to gaining traction in his efforts and I'm happy for him.
Then all of a sudden in my view he seems to be trying to make the case that from the beginning he has represented himself as a miner and has been seeking to represent the high sec miner. Seemed like some sort of reality distortion bubble and a clear last minute vote grab. I post a mail he sent to show that it isn't so clear what he thinks of the other candidates as a counter to show he isn't being honest in how he represents himself. He becomes obsessed with getting me to take down the mail because he fears it will damage his relationship with two likely members of the CSM 7 he claims as his "friends".
There was additional direct communications between the two of us where I offered to do what he asked me but before I could do what he asked he went on the attack.
You have to ask yourself how you can feel someone so thin skinned can actually work in a group like the CSM where passion on the part of the other members could easily be misconstrued as an attack.
Someone with Hans' temperament wouldn't last a day in the world I live in if he can fly off the handle and be so personally affected by something as simple as our exchanges. Not who I'd look for to represent me which is a sad thing for me to have to conclude because at the start of this election I was a fan of his and would be now if had just stayed out of my thread and started to make this personal.
His desire to continue our exchange after the voting closed made me question his ability to work with people he doesn't agree with, to be able to gain consensus with a diverse group and finally his ability to see the big picture. He had nothing to gain and everything in the future to lose. It wouldn't affect the election, but it made him look excitable and irrational and lost him any support from anyone that might support me.
So I'm happy with my response and sad for Hans (also no longer a fan of him in CSM 7).
Good luck was not an apology but I don't owe him one. If what I've posted can get him so wrapped around the axle what happens to him when the attacks really happen.
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Posted - 2012.03.21 17:53:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Galatica789 wrote:Carebear is bitter it didnt get in CSM :(
First, you don't know that and second, really never expected to win. Hard to herd high sec miners into voting in the CSM. Issler It may be more difficult for somebody who is not part of a large organised null sec alliance to get voted into the CSM simply because they do not have a good starting base of votes, but it does not help when that person is somebody like you. You can not expect to get elected by promising to fix everything when you clearly have little to no knowledge about the things you talk about, are unable to relate to the very demographic your trying to win votes from and are rude, abrasive and deceitful Also to all those who call Issler Dainzer a carebear, please don't as I see that as an insult to those of us who do live in high sec.
Never promised to fix everything. And now I'm not a carebear? That is going to disappoint so many folks that like to attack me because they think I am.
Talk to anyone in my alliance and see if they agree with your view.
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Posted - 2012.03.21 20:27:00 -
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Vordak Kallager wrote:Miso Souped wrote:Minta Contha wrote:I voted Issler over Hans because Issler remains calm when being baited (hence good in committee) whereas Hans rages like a ****. where did you get this from? Ive never seen Hans RAGE would love to see where you got this idea. He was actually baited many times during the election.....those that paid attention actually said did the opposite In fact, he even persuaded several staunchly anti-Hans people to see the error of their ways and subsequently vote and endorse Hans (chief example being Corelin). But that is not relevant to this discussion. What is relevant is that Issler may have outwardly maintained her same in-denial passive-aggressive persona, but she hasn't ADDRESSED questions/concerns that have been presented to her. She simply says "Goon alt, next!" if the question/concern is even vaguely anti-Issler's campaign. vOv
Someone like Hans that after the polls closed continued to rant in my thread and refused to accept anything positive I said about him looked pretty unbalanced to me. I really don't see anymore how he could be effective working in a group where he will think disagreement is a form of personal attack.
As to the other charge I answered every legitimate question posed, I did not however address unanswerable questions to folks that clearly weren't reading my responses and only interested in some variation of personal attacks.
Again, huge thanks to my supporters! I will continue to try and drive mining improvements into Eve. To the folks still trolling in my thread, particularly the Blitzners, still trying to figure out what you hope to accomplish.
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Posted - 2012.03.21 20:45:00 -
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Vordak Kallager wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Vordak Kallager wrote:Miso Souped wrote:Minta Contha wrote:I voted Issler over Hans because Issler remains calm when being baited (hence good in committee) whereas Hans rages like a ****. where did you get this from? Ive never seen Hans RAGE would love to see where you got this idea. He was actually baited many times during the election.....those that paid attention actually said did the opposite In fact, he even persuaded several staunchly anti-Hans people to see the error of their ways and subsequently vote and endorse Hans (chief example being Corelin). But that is not relevant to this discussion. What is relevant is that Issler may have outwardly maintained her same in-denial passive-aggressive persona, but she hasn't ADDRESSED questions/concerns that have been presented to her. She simply says "Goon alt, next!" if the question/concern is even vaguely anti-Issler's campaign. vOv Someone like Hans that after the polls closed continued to rant in my thread and refused to accept anything positive I said about him looked pretty unbalanced to me. I really don't see anymore how he could be effective working in a group where he will think disagreement is a form of personal attack. As to the other charge I answered every legitimate question posed, I did not however address unanswerable questions to folks that clearly weren't reading my responses and only interested in some variation of personal attacks. Again, huge thanks to my supporters! I will continue to try and drive mining improvements into Eve. To the folks still trolling in my thread, particularly the Blitzners, still trying to figure out what you hope to accomplish. Issler I really don't understand your incredible lack of comprehension. Hans only engaged you here in this thread (and I don't think anyone would call it ranting, he merely seemed irritated to me) because you touted false information about him and his campaign and then later on consistently assaulted his personal character by calling him insane and unjustly (and illogically) questioning his ability to lead the EVE community (which I find ironic in the extreme). Oh, and you posted private communications between him and you, which (as I've stated before) isn't illegal but isn't very kosher. Why do I continue to "troll" your campaign? I just think it is an interesting phenomena how someone can be so out of touch with reality.
Nothing I said about Hans was false.
For example he admits to having pirated.
He didn't start to run based on supporting high sec miners.
He didn't make mining a major part of his campaign, even one of his supporters said it took him 10 minutes to find him saying something about mining.
Maybe you meant I lied about the good things I said about him.... I hadn't thought that I had got those wrong...
I may have had a different interpretation of what calling a candidate someone who panders means but everything else I stated was a fact. He was unhappy I shared an Eve mail he sent me but honestly, not that much in it other the pander thing was that remarkable. The fact I offered to removed it and modify my post just netted more ranting.
It's funny how in just the last couple of minutes a neutral observer saw the situation exactly as I did, only the blitzners who clearly are full the brim with blitzner-aide seem to think the crazy posts of Hans were worthy of respect and continue to pointlessly post in a now irrelevant CSM campaign thread.
Let it go, its over... get a life because posting here isn't doing anything useful. You love Hans, great! Bake him a cake! But ranting in here because your boy freaked out isn't helping him a bit. In fact all it does is show anyone in the CSM that is having trouble opposing him how easy its going to be to bate him to the point of distraction.
Issler
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Posted - 2012.03.21 20:48:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:Vordak Kallager wrote:Why do I continue to "troll" your campaign? I just think it is an interesting phenomena how someone can be so out of touch with reality. Issler is quite possibly the most epic unintentional troll I have ever witnessed. It's quite fascinating.
At this point what makes you think my blitzner responses are unintentional. Other than thanking folks that supported me all I really have left to do in this thread is to see how wrapped around the axle I can get some of my detractors.
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Posted - 2012.03.21 22:32:00 -
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Pelador Rova wrote:Just thought I'd share some evidence supporting how much Hans views the industrial side of the game and has intentions to support them, seeing as some people want to throw this into doubt: Amarr local wrote:n++[ 2012.03.11 08:36:00 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > Chribba o/ n++[ 2012.03.11 08:36:21 ] Chribba > ello n++[ 2012.03.11 08:36:33 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > I'm visiting your neighborhood here n++[ 2012.03.11 08:36:40 ] Chribba > best place to be tbh n++[ 2012.03.11 08:36:54 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > (though It wasn't the friendliest of welcomes, given me being minnie militia and an outlaw) n++[ 2012.03.11 08:37:29 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > But I wanted to stop by and encourage everyone here to get to the polls and vote for their chosen candidate, this has never been a more important year to vote for the CSM! n++[ 2012.03.11 08:37:35 ] Chribba > haha n++[ 2012.03.11 08:37:54 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > We're looking to get a record turnout, hopefully n++[ 2012.03.11 08:37:58 ] Kazuko Manjusha > buying faction afterburner n++[ 2012.03.11 08:38:22 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > Have you voted yet Chribba? I know you are a private man, no need to tell us who you voted for, but I'm curious if you've been to the polls yet n++[ 2012.03.11 08:38:40 ] Chribba > I've put my vote from all my accounts yes n++[ 2012.03.11 08:38:53 ] Jayden Amrahas > True Sansha Armor Thermic Hardener n++[ 2012.03.11 08:38:55 ] Zhihatsu > I don't suppose I could ask someone to drop 50m on me? I'm woefully short on fitting out my zealot n++[ 2012.03.11 08:38:55 ] Jayden Amrahas > Republic Fleet Small Shield Booster n++[ 2012.03.11 08:38:59 ] Jayden Amrahas > Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher n++[ 2012.03.11 08:39:01 ] Jayden Amrahas > Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher n++[ 2012.03.11 08:39:22 ] Shine Soaro > Chribba after so many years of playing EvE, what keeps you motivated to play, if i may ask? n++[ 2012.03.11 08:39:54 ] Chribba > community n++[ 2012.03.11 08:39:58 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > Good question Shine :) n++[ 2012.03.11 08:40:05 ] Chribba > without all you fine pilots I wouldn't be here n++[ 2012.03.11 08:40:08 ] Shine Soaro > :) n++[ 2012.03.11 08:40:10 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > There are a lot of bittervets out there, Chribba does not seem bitter to me n++[ 2012.03.11 08:40:31 ] Chribba > sure there are changes that I too think was better back then n++[ 2012.03.11 08:40:42 ] Chribba > but one gotta see the bigger picture, and the bigger picture is what affects the most n++[ 2012.03.11 08:42:40 ] Pelador Rova > I'd like to endorse Hans for CSM7, He has a solid manifesto with many key interests including veldspar. With the war theme in the up and coming inferno expansion he also has a wealth of knowledge to support the development due to his background n++[ 2012.03.11 08:43:49 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > Awwwww thanks Pelador! n++[ 2012.03.11 08:43:55 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > I'm humbled n++[ 2012.03.11 08:45:16 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > I hope after the summer of war stuff they can move on and do an industrial expansion n++[ 2012.03.11 08:45:39 ] Kazuko Manjusha > its more pvp n++[ 2012.03.11 08:45:40 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > overhaul POS's, fix up mining, and the like. n++[ 2012.03.11 08:46:12 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > Dont get me wrong - I love PvP. But the industrial half of the game has been untouched for much longer than both Faction Warfare AND nullsec sov n++[ 2012.03.11 08:47:26 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > I like to make boosters, myself. It involves gas mining AND Pos manufacturing, both systems that are pretty frustrating. n++[ 2012.03.11 08:47:50 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > so I have some personal stake in it seeing them given some overdue attention n++[ 2012.03.11 08:50:31 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > The only thing I dont have some stake in is nullsec issues - I dont spend much time out in 0.0. My interest is in making sure that empire space gets its needs voiced on the council n++[ 2012.03.11 08:50:53 ] Ravees Artanar > good luck So you can see that Hans is actually in favour of seeing the industrial side even potentially get its own expansion.
I never said he wasn't in favor of some improvements in industry. I said it wasn't his focus when he ran. I'm in favor of improvements in low sec and null. That doesn't make me the null sec and low sec candidate.
I like kittens and puppies!!
Issler Dainze The kittens and puppies candidate!
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Posted - 2012.03.21 22:35:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:
............Space madness induced dead horse beating.................
I've given up on you Grumpy Owly, you have near terminal blitsner-aide poisoning. Blocking your posts.
Goodbye sad, lost and confused avian.
Issler
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Posted - 2012.03.21 22:46:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:
Nothing I said about Hans was false
For example he admits to having pirated
He didn't start to run based on supporting high sec miners
He didn't make mining a major part of his campaign, even one of his supporters said it took him 10 minutes to find him saying something about mining
This proves that you have no idea what you are talking about Being a Pirate has no relevance about wanting to improve the industrial side of Eve, just like mining only plays a very small part in Industry You seem to be fixated about mining in high sec as this will cure all the problems that Industrialists face.. it won't, not by a long way Your severe lack of knowledge regarding any aspect of Eve is actually quite frightening considering you wanted to be elected as a CSM Exactly what was your overall plan, you though that you could get elected as a CSM Member and then just get together a group of players to advise you when ever an issue comes up Yeah I can see that working really well.. there you are on a Skype meeting CSM member - "So what do you think about about x,y and z Issler Dainze - "Hang on whilst I consult with my committee as I have no idea about this subject I just want to go back to the whole "he is a pirate" thing I would like you to explain what being a pirate has anything to do with wanting to improve the industrial side of Eve Lets use Saleene as an example, he has come up with some fantastic blogs regarding Industry, its faults and where he would like to see improvements made and yet he is the CEO of Body Count Inc, so does that mean he is unable to voice an opinion about Industry
Most high sec miners would find being a pirate incompatible with who they choose represent them
I am running on mining first as my primary interest. I never claimed that mining improvements were all that industry needed.
My slogan wasn't Industries Friend, it was Miner's Friend
You keep claiming my lack of knowledge about aspects of Eve but never produce and example
I made it pretty clear I would involve players to refine the suggestions related to the mining improvements I'd drive into the CSM process and already commented on how I would work in the CSM 7. By the way, been in the CSM already and that worked fine
There really is no discussing this with you. You didn't like me or how I ran my campaign, noted. Not everyone could be expected to support me. But there is no point in the back and forth with you now
You didn't support me, you didn't vote for me and would never ever in the future. Understood. If you feel this is so important to continue well after the election is over then start your own anti-Issler thread. I'm sure that would be a great use of your time
Blocking you too now
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Posted - 2012.03.21 23:44:00 -
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Kai Tel wrote:Four more pages and you got more posts in thread than any other CSM candidate.
These guys aren't showing any signs of letting up so that goal is in sight!
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Posted - 2012.03.24 20:15:00 -
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Thank you everyone that supported me! We had a lot of shouty trolls to overcome but in the end we all came together and now we have someone that really will commit to representing the miners of Eve and high sec in general!
I now owe you all hard work and my best effort to get the ideas to make Eve better for us into CCPs plans!
I will not let you down!
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Posted - 2012.03.24 20:38:00 -
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Sidus Sarmiang wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Kai Tel wrote:Four more pages and you got more posts in thread than any other CSM candidate. These guys aren't showing any signs of letting up so that goal is in sight! Issler Your goal was winning an alternate seat for CSM 7? I'm disappointed we can't troll Issler because she did get an alternate seat. I'm excited now about trolling Darius III because he got less votes than Issler. A man with a dream- a dream to troll - can always find a way.
There are no longer alternates, I'm a full CSM, just not going to Iceland on CCP's isks.
I am glad to have provided a new target! I owed that to you for making my life so interesting during the election. And you should still feel free to troll me on the slower days when you are looking for a distraction!
Issler I'll keep signing my posts just for you guys!
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Posted - 2012.03.24 20:45:00 -
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Aryndel Vyst wrote:Keep telling yourself that you are a full CSM member, maybe it will come true. Kind of like the last person picked in kickball thinking they are something.
I just want to point out you are clueless. The CSM changed and the idea of alternates are no longer part of the CSM. Mittens himself made that point. All CSM members have full standing and will be active in the discussion. When the CSM first started alternates had no voice and no vote. There are no alternates now, just half that don't go to Iceland.
Please go read the dev blog about the new CSM structure if you are still confused.
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Posted - 2012.03.25 02:08:00 -
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Tech3ZH wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: The CSM changed and the idea of alternates are no longer part of the CSM. Mittens himself made that point. All CSM members have full standing and will be active in the discussion. When the CSM first started alternates had no voice and no vote. There are no alternates now, just half that don't go to Iceland.
Please go read the dev blog about the new CSM structure if you are still confused. Oh, they did? Cool! I'm gonna go look back at the devblogs, then! ...Got link, by chance?
You have to dig around but the clearest reference was in the last CSM summit report.
"The reasoning behind this is that during the term of CSM6 the practical distinction between an alternate and a member has all but vanished, and all 14 elected members have had an equal say in matters relating to the workings of the CSM (both in having an input on issues and with communications with CCP, both on chat and voice)."
They also reduced the CSM attending Iceland meetings to 7 from 9.
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Posted - 2012.03.25 04:04:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Kai Tel wrote:Seems like she won out in spite of all you trolling goon bitches. By making her thread so visible you may have even helped her campaign. Good for you Issler. I am LMAO. Haha, well played good sir. At least it's someone who doesn't believe titans are balanced on their cost or SP requirement. I think.
You would be correct! :-)
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Issler Dainze
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Posted - 2012.03.25 04:10:00 -
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Tarsus Zateki wrote:I'm curious to know that now that you have a place on the CSM will you continue to focus solely on the issues that you campaigned over to the exclusion of nothing else, or will you be willing to work closely with your new peers to work on broad issues that effect the game even if little attention is paid to your interests at any one time? When a CCP dev asks for feed back on Mining or Industry and everyone at the table turns to look at you, will you be ready to have something to say?
I'm part of a team so I will definitely work with the other CSM issues. It is key in fact to not be single issue focused if I have any chance of gaining support with the other members of CSM 7. I see myself as being a constant voice for the issues I supported but to succeed in the CSM and with CCP is to be open and balanced when other areas of Eve become the topic of the CSM.
So I will be focusing on mining and ambulation but working as part of the CSM team. I believe Eve is best served by a chorus of CSM voices with each voice bringing its own focus to the choir.
That is a great question by the way!
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Posted - 2012.03.25 06:04:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:You know, Issler may be an inane pubbie, but at least she isn't batshit insane like Xenuria.
It isn't a huge accomplishment to be more sane than Xenuria, though.
Edit: Iss, drop the "bears roar" bit. You aren't doing a goddamned thing to unseat any nullsec powerblocs. The most you will do is make the hardcore anti-wis people try to troll harder.
So empowering care bears with the slogan I think is valid thing to do. I don't want to stop the trolls yet, I need about three more pages to have had the largest CSM 7 thread!
We certainly didn't displace any power blocks but we did go from "not a chance" to a seat on the CSM 7. So a start.
I'll make you this promise, as soon as this gets to the largest thread in the CSM 7 race I will edit the thread title!
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:30:00 -
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I want to continue to thank the folks still posting relevant analysis and the trolls as well!
This will be the largest CSM 7 thread!!!
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:53:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:Carl Thunderthise wrote:If no one cares about miners or missioners then why did candidates supporting them get into the CSM? How can a vote for Issler be wasted if she gets into the CSM to support us? I love how you guys just can't bear that she got into the CSM despite the endless prating that she'd never manage. Do you think people outside of the game sub up because they heard someone talk about mining and missioning? If so, you're ******* stupid; no potential subscribers give a **** about your missioning and mining stories. In order for a PvP game like EVE to grow, you need space drama.
Some of the most popular games today attract players because of things equivalent to "mining and missioning". You are the idiot who is looking through the telescope backwards at the gaming industry.
Sorry folks don't agree with your narrow view of gamers, thank goodness folks in Eve that like those elements of play are making their voice heard because the Eve you'd like will never grow past where it is today.
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